Something that's been nagging me since I bought the R1 was that the HEL lines the previous owner fitted weren't quite right. He made a ham fisted job of some of the other mods, namely not torquing things up correctly.
But I was adjusting the lever the other day and it reminded me what a ballache I had when I refitted the master cylinder last year, due to the curve at the end of each line they wouldn't go on "straight" at the M/C and I had to put them slightly sideways to each other.
This what I mean :
(http://www.pjitsolutions.co.uk/pics/share/hellines.jpg)
It's been years since I fitted braided lines but I can't help but think that the 2 shallower curved ends should be at the M/C with the 2 more curved ends at the calipers curving inwards towards the mudguard.
What say you?
(HEL online fitting instructions weren't alot of help)
Thanks
Peej.
its been a while since ive fitted them but I agree I think there backwards
Looks OK to me. It's always a bit of a ballache with the double banjo at the top because all the bikes I've seen have a single banjo at the top and a splitter on the bottom yoke.
Last few braided lines I've done, I've fitted a single line to the right caliper, then a double banjo on that with a line looped over the mudguard to the left caliper. Much neater install and I find it easier to bleed.
really? all mine that have had twin calipers have had a double banjo at the top
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 24, 2014, 06:31:53 PM
really? all mine that have had twin calipers have had a double banjo at the top
As OE set up?
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 24, 2014, 06:31:53 PM
really? all mine that have had twin calipers have had a double banjo at the top
Maybe I've just been unlucky and all the bikes I've owned in the last 25 years were all built wrong....
Quote from: Gobert on May 24, 2014, 06:43:11 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 24, 2014, 06:31:53 PM
really? all mine that have had twin calipers have had a double banjo at the top
As OE set up?
as far as im aware yes
Quote from: David W on May 24, 2014, 06:55:30 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 24, 2014, 06:31:53 PM
really? all mine that have had twin calipers have had a double banjo at the top
Maybe I've just been unlucky and all the bikes I've owned in the last 25 years were all built wrong....
Same here - every bike I've owned as had either a splitter at the bottom yoke or a single line to one caliper and a loop over to the other.
Quote from: Gobert on May 24, 2014, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: David W on May 24, 2014, 06:55:30 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 24, 2014, 06:31:53 PM
really? all mine that have had twin calipers have had a double banjo at the top
Maybe I've just been unlucky and all the bikes I've owned in the last 25 years were all built wrong....
Same here - every bike I've owned as had either a splitter at the bottom yoke or a single line to one caliper and a loop over to the other.
I may be wrong but but ive defo had a double banjo with stock lines and it wouldn't really make sence to do that
Stock B1 setup is single line to right hand caliper, then loop line over to the left.
Quote from: Neil on May 25, 2014, 01:30:04 PM
Stock B1 setup is single line to right hand caliper, then loop line over to the left.
I know that that was as it had them on it when I bought it just trying to remember which of my bikes had what had far to many over the years
Think my '10' had the same set-up as the B1 from the factory
but my HEL lines are like yours, PJ
Double bolt at the top and the curves and slight offset bring them together to feed down to the caliper
The Goodridge ones for my gixer were bullshit, I tried every conceivable orientation and nothing worked properly... I can only assume some lines are setup to marry up to brembo mc or something. The k5 originally had a split part way, so had only single banjo bolts. I got a twin line set so had a double banjo at the mc. The b1 had a line over the mudguard originally and I replaced that with a set of hel lines in the same layout, they fitted quite well.
out of interest is there actually any advantages/disadvantages with the different line set ups or is it pretty much just cosmetic?
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 25, 2014, 08:19:57 PM
out of interest is there actually any advantages/disadvantages with the different line set ups or is it pretty much just cosmetic?
I think in the regs for race series there is a requirement for individual lines to each calliper. But I don't see what difference it makes
Quote from: 1-600-matt on May 25, 2014, 11:06:33 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 25, 2014, 08:19:57 PM
out of interest is there actually any advantages/disadvantages with the different line set ups or is it pretty much just cosmetic?
I think in the regs for race series there is a requirement for individual lines to each calliper. But I don't see what difference it makes
ahh I see I was expecting some big advantage or something the 2 lines do look a lot better though
Quote from: 1-600-matt on May 25, 2014, 11:06:33 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 25, 2014, 08:19:57 PM
out of interest is there actually any advantages/disadvantages with the different line set ups or is it pretty much just cosmetic?
I think in the regs for race series there is a requirement for individual lines to each calliper. But I don't see what difference it makes
Small detail but ...
The regulations actually require that the line splitter takes place above the lower fork clamp. Virtually all race bike set ups therefore split with a double banjo at the m/c ...
Any idea why though?
No idea but clearly a regulation written by someone with no idea whatsoever how a hydraulic brake system works!
Quote from: David W on May 26, 2014, 02:59:06 PM
No idea but clearly a regulation written by someone with no idea whatsoever how a hydraulic brake system works!
couldn't agree more
Despite an attempt to thwart the R6 brake conversion on my B1, I managed to get some discs which aren't actually shagged. I've had a bit of fun and games making some lines up (getting hold of the correct unions) , but the brakes do feel a fair bit sharper with it all on now they are bedded in. I took this pic late last night up on one of the hills near here :)
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/ehhp1x.jpg)
nice photo that ash , could do with a clean though...
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 26, 2014, 07:07:05 PM
nice photo that ash , could do with a clean though...
I know, I only figured after the event :( ... however that gives me another excuse to do some more ;)
Quote from: ash on May 26, 2014, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 26, 2014, 07:07:05 PM
nice photo that ash , could do with a clean though...
I know, I only figured after the event :( ... however that gives me another excuse to do some more ;)
you do not need excuses when you own a b1h!!
Quote from: PJ on May 24, 2014, 03:51:07 PM
Something that's been nagging me since I bought the R1 was that the HEL lines the previous owner fitted weren't quite right. He made a ham fisted job of some of the other mods, namely not torquing things up correctly.
But I was adjusting the lever the other day and it reminded me what a ballache I had when I refitted the master cylinder last year, due to the curve at the end of each line they wouldn't go on "straight" at the M/C and I had to put them slightly sideways to each other.
This what I mean :
(http://www.pjitsolutions.co.uk/pics/share/hellines.jpg)
It's been years since I fitted braided lines but I can't help but think that the 2 shallower curved ends should be at the M/C with the 2 more curved ends at the calipers curving inwards towards the mudguard.
What say you?
(HEL online fitting instructions weren't alot of help)
Thanks
Peej.
I've had a bit of fun and games making new braided lines up. I couldn't get the correct compression banjo fittings on Saturday fromm a bike shop so went for as close as I could. Mine have a crank in them of about 20 degrees from vertical off the side entry on my gold spot calipers. I was feeling quite pleased with myself, but the left hand line is a little shorter than I hope so I went to a line manufacturer in Gloucester called http://www.hosetechnik.com/ (http://www.hosetechnik.com/) (part of Forge Motorsport) to get some more braided line on tuesday. Now I'm in to these lines for about £30 in the fittings, and another £10 for the lines ... Hosetechnik said they would do a set for £40 with crimped fittings so I feel like a bit of a muggins now for messing around with self assembly ones :rolleyes:
the one thing the hosetechnik bloke said was don't usea cranked banjo off the caliper on these R6 ones, he felt it was a safety issue which could stress the hose incer fork compression.
I'm going to swap out for the correct ones on saturday and TBH the brakes now feel amazing and very progressive once they have a bit of heat in them :)
peej
is you email them with the part number they will send you a copy of the fitting instructions
details here....
http://www.helperformance.com/motorcycle/yamaha/yzf-r1/
glad its all coming together now mate
Well I've been fucked over yet again...what is it with dishonest people
Tredworth Motorcycles in Gloucester....very dishonest, states they will exchange if they don't line up (which they don't) , and then backtracks when I ask to exchange for the correct ones.
More theiving cunts to add to the list :rolleyes:
you have it in writing that they said they would exchange?
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 29, 2014, 04:04:46 PM
you have it in writing that they said they would exchange?
I shouldn't need it
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/nireland/consumer_ni/consumer_common_problems_with_products_e/faulty_goods_e/what_is_meant_by_goods_not_fit_for_purpose.htm (http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/nireland/consumer_ni/consumer_common_problems_with_products_e/faulty_goods_e/what_is_meant_by_goods_not_fit_for_purpose.htm)
kick up a bloody fuss with them your entitled to what you paid for
Well, the chances of me getting a refund is precisely fuck all and whilst they have now offered exchange them, they are cheap shit plated banjo's which will rust and tarnish in no time, so I decided to cut my losses and get the job done properly ... a bit like with the robbing twat vsenna who swindled me out of £70 for some fucked brake discs (there, I feel a bit better now ;) )
Moving on, I decided to get it sorted properly with a bona-fide brake line manufacturer http://www.hosetechnik.com/ (http://www.hosetechnik.com/) . They were fairly priced (charged me just under £40 for a couple of hoses stainless fittings bent to shape, new stainless banjo's and copper washers) and I took the bike over to Gloucester this afternoon where they are based (part of Forge Motorsport), they made them up exactly to my specification while I waited and I swapped them over and bled them up there and then.
Just a nice job of it :afro:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/10405747_10152438411058704_1161015670_n.jpg?oh=70462c0e33314648205157d577705887&oe=538FF0D0&__gda__=1401927297_a7d39c1d0e4dbd660f342a0b5231be63)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/10410080_10152438415068704_1452633222_n.jpg?oh=4dfce36af103d490767c3126599fff37&oe=53902E79&__gda__=1401947880_4380340a9ed2cefc4d6b33f7718612b4)
All I need to do now is give the bike a good clean :cheesy:
does look good that ash haha yeah was going to say all she needs is a clean now
I'm also fortunate that I have http://www.pro-bolt.com/ (http://www.pro-bolt.com/) about 4 miles from me in Tewkesbury ... yet again, another top company which has come through trumps for me today with. Supplied me a couple of Titanium lock nuts for my frame sliders, one of them stripped the bolt, I called them to explain, and they sorted it no problem at all.. then gave me a screen fastening kit for my B1.
There are quality companies (and people) out there. I only wish I had not found the dodgy ones first.
did they really need to be titanium you tart....... oh gave you as in free?
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 03, 2014, 09:21:02 PM
did they really need to be titanium you tart....... oh gave you as in free?
I bought 2 Ti nuts last night for a tenner (sharp intake of breath I know) as they didn't have any stainless ones in stock (M10's), one had a problem and they gave me another 4 (result :D ) They supply all the BSB teams and are a pro operation.
very nice I dread to think how much all the titanium on the b1 had cost me its quite scary
These brakes are now as good as anything I've ridden in terms of feel and responsiveness, they are brill :afro: . These actually feel sharper than the braided lines I took off in terms of bite on the lever.
wore the calipers a straight swap or did you need to modify them? been along time since I did mine will be looking for another set when the b1 goes back on the road selling the brembos
Looks like 2mm ish spacers?
Quote from: Gobert on June 03, 2014, 09:52:37 PM
Looks like 2mm ish spacers?
that's what I was thinking but wanted to make sure
3mm spacers on 300mm dia discs off an 07 600 ninja. They are galvanised washers which I stuck some paint on to reduce galvanic corrosion between all the metals. I'll probably get them and the fork legs all painted to match when I get the forks revalved. Calipers are off an 07 R6
QuoteMoving on, I decided to get it sorted properly with a bona-fide brake line manufacturer http://www.hosetechnik.com/ .
All I'll say on this topic is, just be careful buying braided hose from the internet to avoid disappointment.
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad48/iaintucker/braidedhose.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/iaintucker/media/braidedhose.jpg.html)