No cash but need to decat the R1. I cannot afford £1500 for a Seton, £900 for an Austin Racing or even £600 for a TBR.
PipeWerx seem to do a bargain of a decat and Ti Tri-Oval can for £360 all in.
Anyone ever bought / had any of their stuff?
Is it cheap for a reason (or is it good for the money)?
Anything with a Z or an X replacing the standard characters of S or KS should be avoided at all costs.
Even if it's just to avoid looking like a chav....
If you're not going to buy quality, leave it standard - looks ok.
Ive known a few people to have them , not heard any complaints
Quote from: Gobert on July 12, 2015, 11:08:00 PM
If you're not going to buy quality, leave it standard - looks ok.
The cat looks and weighs awful. That's the reason to change.
I appreciate the quality comment but some might argue that Austin Racing, Racefit etc aren't quality either.
Lose the exhaust decal and it could be an Arrow?
There are a couple of positives - the decat and can are sufficiently long to keep noise down which is an issue with all decats on the R1 unless you spend £1500 on the Seton package.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/MOz10R/0E84F7D2-7F8B-4AB4-87FE-FDC5E66D5CEB_zps7volohpi.png)
(http://www.pipewerx.com/pipewerx/sites/default/files/imagecache/node-gallery-display/IMG_0015.JPG)
Martrain seem happy to use them.
(http://cache.cart-imgs.fc2.com/user_img/exhaust/2cd0d36c474e36665d1895ad2400bb00.jpg)
What will you gain?
you get a free tshirt moz DOOO IT!!
and you could pass it off as an arrow as long as you take there "custom" baffle out
Do you think that Martrain are using their £360 set up?
You'd be the first to jump on someone for putting a budget exhaust on a £15k state of the art sports bike.......
Quote from: Gobert on July 13, 2015, 08:32:19 AM
Do you think that Martrain are using their £360 set up?
You'd be the first to jump on someone for putting a budget exhaust on a £15k state of the art sports bike.......
atleast its new........
Quote from: Gobert on July 13, 2015, 08:32:19 AM
You'd be the first to jump on someone for putting a budget exhaust on a £15k state of the art sports bike.......
I agree with Gobert <sicks up in mouth>
excuse me for a moment
I've got one of their carbon cans on my 2012 GSXR1000.
It's fine for the money (and the tee shirt still gets worn regularly!).
It's not top brand quality for sure, but it isn't terrible either and the bike runs flawlessly with it.
The only small issue is that after 8k miles the carbon weave as discoloured very slightly.
Hope this helps.
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on July 13, 2015, 07:42:26 AM
What will you gain?
About negative 5kg in weight, much better noise and lose the horrible cat box that looks like it's rusting away every time it gets hot. With a reflash about 10-15bhp too. I get the impression reading about the companies car background they know a little bit about performance exhausts.
And a lifetime warranty so if the carbon does discolour maybe they might resleeve it.
Thanks Whoopee - very helpful.
Well that's deffo worth £300....... above that is vanity I guess.
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on July 13, 2015, 10:05:43 AM
Well that's deffo worth £300....... above that is vanity I guess.
Agreed, dont think you'll be able to get anything cheaper to be fair.
Add a few hundred for the re-flash and jobs a good un.
Or get saving ;-)
Quote from: mc101 on July 13, 2015, 10:14:25 AM
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on July 13, 2015, 10:05:43 AM
Well that's deffo worth £300....... above that is vanity I guess.
Agreed, dont think you'll be able to get anything cheaper to be fair.
Add a few hundred for the re-flash and jobs a good un.
Or get saving ;-)
I did wonder when you might come along.
Even with Phil's wonderful offer I just can't afford it.
The alternatives are not ideal, but better than oem.
Had a good chat with Jeff from PipeWerx.
Yes, it is a shit name for a can but he told me a few bits about their development and racing support and they sound pretty rock solid. The decat will be stainless (they don't deal with Ti) but the cans look great and they're about to launch a new design. They could supply one to me. £395 all in.
Supporting British industry, I think I'll go for it.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/MOz10R/2EF05E9A-5C9D-4554-B0A0-0D891A295331_zpsze64sie8.jpg)
Looks good fella and way better than OEM !
not bad looking that moz!
Quote from: mc101 on July 13, 2015, 11:06:24 AM
Looks good fella and way better than OEM !
Don't tell Phil!!!!! - I might still get him to do my reflash if he can ;)
Sounds like a small outfit trying to get established, so they're going to need to price competitively....... you may be on to a winner there.
I take back what Gobert said...... knucklehead
just realised the missus's car has got a pipewerx system on it and its actually pretty well built
After looking at their site I might be giving them a call! I'm not overly liking the X plate where the baffle is on the end spout but other than that it seems pretty good value.
That looks like a bit of a bargain from here.
Enjoy Moz
https://youtu.be/WyoziSbigTg
I have watched a lot of videos of 2015 R1 exhausts!!!
I know of them, they are reasonably local to me. did a decat on a car of mine a few years back. they do plenty of cars and bike exhausts.
They have a background with the tuning max power lot but have been going for years since.
I was chatting with them many years ago about doing a custom exhaust for a RC8 and they seemed to know their stuff, were supporting racers in the feeder classes to bsb and were very open to options. I think they still do plenty of one off exhausts for kit cars etc
if they have a warranty of sorts and its a half decent stainless they are using I don't see any negatives. I am sure they would be up for a bit of a development deal if they need someone to use their can for the R1 and give them feedback etc... that might be worth picking up with them unless someone has beaten you to it?
Dean Harrison's Martrain R1 has been using their exhausts all season.
Their warranty is lifetime and most reports I read are exceedingly positive.
I'm ordering it tomorrow.
That'll look good with your £99 tyres.
job jobbed
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
That'll look good with your £99 tyres.
And my 49p tank protector - it's carbon look don't you know.
Fuck off and sort ya spokes out tractor boy.
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on July 14, 2015, 04:54:52 PM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on July 14, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
That'll look good with your £99 tyres.
And my 49p tank protector - it's carbon look don't you know.
Fuck off and sort ya spokes out tractor boy.
Still need your address so I can post you that rim tape!
Quote
Fuck off and sort ya spokes out tractor boy.
Proper tyres on my tractor wheels you tight fucker :)
Quote from: Gobert on July 13, 2015, 08:32:19 AM
Do you think that Martrain are using their £360 set up?
Speaking to a few "who know" as well as PipeWerx themselves that is exactly the setup Dean Harrison uses. Not even a Ti decat, it's stainless like the customer part.
Well the budget option arrived today.
For the cash, I'm very happy. £430 all in delivered including the hanger. Best of all the baffle isn't one of the tacky "x" types. It's just normal.
Having just fitted it I'll try and ride tomorrow.
It is still a bit LOUD!!!
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/MOz10R/00908BC2-7BBC-4618-87F2-5F97F4CC03D2_zpsh4cwdami.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/MOz10R/598A3105-573B-41DD-90D5-1534C5782741_zpsduciuc8f.jpg)
Looks alright that longer than I expected but looks good and for that price aswell!
It is their full length. Keeps the noise down. I could always get them to cut it down I suppose.
It's a quality looking Can...end cap shape looks great...but have to say I would prefer to see it shorter...not the worst though.
Edit....The more I look the more I like...initially looked long...but actually it's fine.
Looks ok that.
Just a shame about the front....
(Ok so it's starting to not make me vomit looking at it)
As others have said a little bit long but looks OK actually :azn:
Could with a Termignoni sticker on it.... ;)
Quote from: David W on August 01, 2015, 06:59:15 AM
Could with a Termignoni sticker on it.... ;)
It's too good to ruin it.
Do you want my honest opinion.............. ;)
(+ where the f**k are those cheques?)
Quote from: Gobert on August 01, 2015, 11:39:29 AM
Do you want my honest opinion.............. ;)
(+ where the f**k are those cheques?)
Ask Paul about the the cheques. Not my bag.
And I don't care what you opinion is ;) The fact is I could never afford the "premium" brands and this will improve the sound, power and weight without breaking the bank and hopefully keep Mr Plod happy. :moto:
Yes you can afford the better options............ ;) - I actually think the oe can / cat look better but it's your bike......... (still like the bike though...........)
and I'll be having a sense of humour failure with Mr Tye if he's had as many cheques as the FB page suggests cos I'm back in the cage next week to cover leave...............
He's on leave next week so I think you'll be lucky!!!!
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 01, 2015, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: Gobert on August 01, 2015, 11:39:29 AM
Do you want my honest opinion.............. ;)
(+ where the f**k are those cheques?)
Ask Paul about the the cheques. Not my bag.
And I don't care what you opinion is ;) The fact is I could never afford the "premium" brands and this will improve the sound, power and weight without breaking the bank and hopefully keep Mr Plod happy. :moto:
demon tweaks offer some nice finance options....
Maybe not being able to afford it also includes the feeling that four figures plus on an exhaust system is not justifiable either.
I'm happy with my budget can. I'll report back when I ride it tomorrow.
Yip I would need to part with £2600 for a full Akky system....I'm not skint...but I wouldn't pay that...
Quote from: Alzo on August 01, 2015, 06:03:47 PM
Yip I would need to part with £2600 for a full Akky system....I'm not skint...but I wouldn't pay that...
Fook that!!!!
Was thinking £1200 max
Quote from: Alzo on August 01, 2015, 06:03:47 PM
Yip I would need to part with £2600 for a full Akky system....I'm not skint...but I wouldn't pay that...
£1400 for a full Akro system, £1200 for a full Arrow system to fit the new R1..............not that I'm thinking of buying one of course......... ;)
But the stock headers are better than fine. No need for a full system.
Quote from: Gobert on August 01, 2015, 07:15:16 PM
Quote from: Alzo on August 01, 2015, 06:03:47 PM
Yip I would need to part with £2600 for a full Akky system....I'm not skint...but I wouldn't pay that...
£1400 for a full Akro system, £1200 for a full Arrow system to fit the new R1..............not that I'm thinking of buying one of course......... ;)
The Akra is in stainless your quoting.... which is heavier than OEM (decat aside fwiw). Also the Arrow wont get anywhere near a track in the UK. (112dB +). The Akra is also the largest can I've ever seen !
Moz - I think yours looks just fine dude :-)
Thanks dude.
I really wanted to wear Phil's exquisite creation but sadly could not afford it or justify the changes to the bike (lambdas ditched etc) that will get traded in a couple of years anyway. To be able to unbolt a link pipe and unplug an EXUP fooling eliminator box is much easier come trade in.
I needed something semi sensible for noise and as the PipeWerx (still a monumentally cringeworthy name) can looks 100 times better than the horrendous Akky carbon whale's penis I'm happier still.
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 02, 2015, 09:09:00 AM
Thanks dude.
I really wanted to wear Phil's exquisite creation but sadly could not afford it or justify the changes to the bike (lambdas ditched etc) that will get traded in a couple of years anyway. To be able to unbolt a link pipe and unplug an EXUP fooling eliminator box is much easier come trade in.
I needed something semi sensible for noise and as the PipeWerx (still a monumentally cringeworthy name) can looks 100 times better than the horrendous Akky carbon whale's penis I'm happier still.
Ive just seen the akky fitted to a red one, It made my face go sad....
The Akra full system that I have seen has a pretty ugly looking can, not what I would have expected from them. I would expect it makes some good gains but it would be a no from me on looks alone. The can only option Neevsy has looks nice enough but retains the cat. If the Arrow full system is just too loud and needs a baffle to get it on circuit losing most of its gains then I can't see the point. I've not seen anything from the well known high end brands that I really like for the new R1, I'm surprised that Arata have not come up with anything yet as their stuff is usually even nicer than Akrapovic, maybe they are struggling with noise too so have not put anything out.
Likewise if i was lucky enough to be in the market the Seton system would be a no brainer as it looks good, is quiet enough and still makes the gains. I've no doubt that the backup will be great and in the event of any damage it can be refurbed at minimal cost. Would probably be able to have it updated if it is developed further in the future. So far seem to be the only manufacturer to clear the cat, make the power gains and pass UK trackday noise tests. Someone from one of the big players will soon be buying one to chop up to understand how its done!
When Moz initially suggested Pipewerx I was surprised but you cant deny that it gives a good solution for a sensible amount of money while removing the cat. Agree its sensible for road and occasional track use where you don't want to go too far modding the bike as you may wish to return to stock. Would be interesting to see how it noise tests and what sort of dyno figures come from it before/after a reflash and if it can still make strong gains while still within the allowed TD noise limits.
I hope to get a cover for the cat-gap left behind but even that doesn't look too bad on the R1. Certainly better that the gaps you get on Suzukis, Hondas and the S1000RR when you decat.
Plus, it's quite interesting when you consider how many road bikes with shorty cans use full length ones on their race bikes. Pata Honda use a full length can in the WSB, the factory Yam used one at Suzuka (that looked like a stock 2015 S1RR exhaust) so there must be advantages in the full length exhaust.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/MOz10R/6F5E9495-EBE7-41D1-9A6C-AACAEEE45C8E_zpsb5ccg2us.jpg)
Agree with the empty space....and on these modern bikes the Cats are doing a lot of sound suppression.
Looks good. Gets my vote.
Nice bike.
Seem to remember reading once that the longer the pipes are before they get to the silencer, the better the power. There's arguable only one place a catalytic converter can fit on a bike so I guess the factory has no choice but to put it there?
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 02, 2015, 10:40:03 AM
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That's a better picture...it actually looks really good.
Quote from: mc101 on August 02, 2015, 08:17:26 AM
Quote from: Gobert on August 01, 2015, 07:15:16 PM
Quote from: Alzo on August 01, 2015, 06:03:47 PM
Yip I would need to part with £2600 for a full Akky system....I'm not skint...but I wouldn't pay that...
£1400 for a full Akro system, £1200 for a full Arrow system to fit the new R1..............not that I'm thinking of buying one of course......... ;)
The Akra is in stainless your quoting.... which is heavier than OEM (decat aside fwiw). Also the Arrow wont get anywhere near a track in the UK. (112dB +). The Akra is also the largest can I've ever seen !
Moz - I think yours looks just fine dude :-)
I quoted those figures to show you can get a full system for less than £2600.
The small weight difference means nothing on the road and there's no chance the bike will have to go through a noise test unless Moz does a 180 degree u turn on track days.
To be honest, I want it sensibly quiet so as not to upset Mr Hedlu.
Quote from: Gobert on August 03, 2015, 07:35:52 AM
Quote from: mc101 on August 02, 2015, 08:17:26 AM
Quote from: Gobert on August 01, 2015, 07:15:16 PM
Quote from: Alzo on August 01, 2015, 06:03:47 PM
Yip I would need to part with £2600 for a full Akky system....I'm not skint...but I wouldn't pay that...
£1400 for a full Akro system, £1200 for a full Arrow system to fit the new R1..............not that I'm thinking of buying one of course......... ;)
The Akra is in stainless your quoting.... which is heavier than OEM (decat aside fwiw). Also the Arrow wont get anywhere near a track in the UK. (112dB +). The Akra is also the largest can I've ever seen !
Moz - I think yours looks just fine dude :-)
I quoted those figures to show you can get a full system for less than £2600.
The small weight difference means nothing on the road and there's no chance the bike will have to go through a noise test unless Moz does a 180 degree u turn on track days.
I was meaning for the S1000r...£2600 is the full system price...and the only one BMW have no issues with if fitted.
personally I think it looks pretty good as it is.. No need for any 'infill' panels IMO.
Do you have to get it re-mapped now the CAT is gone ? it's a bit more than just an end can so I imagine you do.
How heavy was the CAT, OE end can and link pipe ? With all the garbage that was fitted to my bike when I got it, OE can, plate hanger and luggage rack I recon I saved the best part of 10kgs and it was a noticable difference.. Mostly the fact it was not quite so keen to wheelie everywhere as most of the weight was high up and at the back of the bike.
I reckon I've saved about 4 kgs so not a massive amount. My decat is stainless so it's not that light.
I'll get it dynoed to check the fuelling as I don't want it lean. Slow time I'll look into getting it remapped unless it is lean then I'll get it sorted sooner.
Looks good Moz. We still need to sort a meet-up in N Wales.
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 03, 2015, 04:28:39 PM
I reckon I've saved about 4 kgs so not a massive amount. My decat is stainless so it's not that light.
I'll get it dynoed to check the fuelling as I don't want it lean. Slow time I'll look into getting it remapped unless it is lean then I'll get it sorted sooner.
Has it still got the lambda sensor or did that come out with the cat? Surely it will be correcting any fuel change to keep it from running lean!?
Lambdas still in but as I understand it the closed fuelling loop they control only works to about 6-7000 rpm.
He only other issue it seems to be causing is an increase in chassis vibes. I think this is because the oem cat is mounted at 3 points to the lower chassis using rubber mounting shims to dampen any vibes. The stainless decat uses none of them clamping to the downpipes and the end can only.
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 05, 2015, 09:12:08 PM
Lambdas still in but as I understand it the closed fuelling loop they control only works to about 6-7000 rpm.
He only other issue it seems to be causing is an increase in chassis vibes. I think this is because the oem cat is mounted at 3 points to the lower chassis using rubber mounting shims to dampen any vibes. The stainless decat uses none of them clamping to the downpipes and the end can only.
Doesn't sound like an ideal support arrangement for the exhaust! Bit more weight coming through the silencer hanger transmitting some vibration into the tail/seat unit!?
This is what happens when you fiddle!
The Akrapovic link pipe fits in exactly the same way.
No different to how aftermarket systems have fitted since forever.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/11/b2277705ebc8d4372ab8470073ec691d.jpg)
Looks lovely!!
Vibe issues fixed with neoprene rubber spacers and rubber washers on the hanger.
It's still too loud!!!
Looks good Moz have you got pics of the austin racing / seton setup
Google them mate. Lots of pictures out there.
The best looking decat system and can is the SC Project one IMO.
I met and spoke to Phil Seton for quite a while yesterday. He's still trying to convince me to go with his setup (I'd love to)!!!
If you want to do trackdays on it the Seton system is the only one quiet enough.