You have £3500 to spend on a modern classic. Must be registered before 1995 and be fun around a circuit.
Must be as original as possible.
What do you buy and why?
Have to add it must be realistic (ie available with minimal to moderate effort) and not like hens teeth.
Early Blade, EXUP, slab sided GSXR?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-cbr900rr-fireblade-urban-tiger-/171877624561?hash=item2804b46af1
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GSXR-750-slingshot-/131568845521?hash=item1ea21d42d1
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-ZXR-750-/171805098763?hash=item280061c30b
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-GSXR1100-K-1989-Red-Black-GSXR-1100-/121543602563?hash=item1c4c903183
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-VFR-400-R-NC30-SUPERB-ORIGINAL-CONDITION-ONLY-16600-MILES-/131554621521?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1ea1443851
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUZUKI-RGV250-1991-M-/301696672493?hash=item463e85e2ed
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-NSR250-R-SE-/151642427109?hash=item234e97cee5
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-TZR-250-3XV-1993-INVESTMENT-ONLY-VERY-LOW-MILES-NEEDS-LITTLE-TLC-/201381599581?hash=item2ee347595d
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-GSXR-750-Slab-Sider-/161335205758?hash=item259053df7e
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1995-APRILIA-RS250-MK1-RS-250-UK-BIKE-12-000-MILES-/391167783842?hash=item5b136ab3a2
GSXR/YZF/ZXR750 I reckon. Bit of cash for a good going over for bearings, brakes and rubber and you'd have a bit of a laugh I reckon.
Have to say one of those bikes is on my eBay watch list already Dan.
Not sure I want a two stroke.
I'm struggling to find a decent YZF.
old Norton possibly
All the ones folks have said, early blade, zxr,yzf etc...... but id throw a Ducati 748 and an SP1 into the hat for consideration and also purely bercause i think they look cool maybe a Benelli Tornado?
edit, forget the sp1, didnt read the post propperly post 95 doh! :lipsrsealed: 748 is still a contender though :cool:
The reason for 1995 is I'm after something to join the classic trackdays events with. I might be able to sell that to the missus as they have much smaller groups and very stringent on track etiquette rules.
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 03, 2015, 08:13:11 PM
The reason for 1995 is I'm after something to join the classic trackdays his with. I might be able to sell that to the missus as they have much smaller groups and very stringent on track etiquette rules.
I do hate it when things need to be approved by the missus....
The YZF750 would be the one I would search out.
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on August 03, 2015, 08:18:49 PM
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 03, 2015, 08:13:11 PM
The reason for 1995 is I'm after something to join the classic trackdays his with. I might be able to sell that to the missus as they have much smaller groups and very stringent on track etiquette rules.
I do hate it when things need to be approved by the missus....
:laughing7:
Urban Tiger would get my vote. Mmmmm.
Quote from: Jarse on August 03, 2015, 09:05:51 PM
Urban Tiger would get my vote. Mmmmm.
Ohhhh this!!!
Gpz900?
I would go out to buy a 1992 Blade in black and silver or maybe a 1997 Anniversary blade with the big gold RR on the side and come back with something completely different.
I suppose when the novice group gets a bit quick there's always the classic days.......................... ;)
Early Fireblades were great fast road bikes but they were that great on track because of the funny front wheel/tyre size combo. And they seem to fall into the category now of pristine and expensive or completely and utterly knackered.
750cc were the apex predator sportsbikes of the day. I reckon a 916 of that era would be a liability.
Quote from: Gobert on August 03, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
I suppose when the novice group gets a bit quick there's always the classic days.......................... ;)
I'm surprised you haven't been riding them from day one. At least you'll know what it's like to be faster than some of the others on track rather than none of the others.
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 04, 2015, 07:00:29 AM
Quote from: Gobert on August 03, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
I suppose when the novice group gets a bit quick there's always the classic days.......................... ;)
I'm surprised you haven't been riding them from day one. At least you'll know what it's like to be faster than some of the others on track rather than none of the others.
I've never, ever claimed to be anything but an average rider but at least I can hold my own in the fast group on most proper track days days rather than playing the big man riding round in inters on an airfield day especially after all the years spent bigging up your ability on here with no real reason to do so.
You can dish the banter but you cant take it but then I've known that for years.
Quote from: Gobert on August 03, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
I suppose when the novice group gets a bit quick there's always the classic days.......................... ;)
This was banter - recognised and accepted as good banter.
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 04, 2015, 07:00:29 AM
Quote from: Gobert on August 03, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
I suppose when the novice group gets a bit quick there's always the classic days.......................... ;)
I'm surprised you haven't been riding them from day one. At least you'll know what it's like to be faster than some of the others on track rather than none of the others.
This was banter also. Banter can be returned quite legitimately - making your comment a little pot kettle don't you think ;-)
:happy1:
BTW at the price you are quoting (£3500). Thunderace. (Which I owned a new one, back in the day) 1000 EXUP (Again owned from new)
ill have this please
http://www.123mc.dk/1991-ducati-851-superbike-mcimg-80164_1_1391268614.jpeg
I would have posted it properly but none of the forum buttons work on this fecking Microsoft edge
I was going to call Gobert this morning and utter the words "good banter". I ended up uttering the word "sorry".
I'm too soft!!
Great suggestion Carbon. If you can find me one for £3500 that's not a fucking wreck I'm in.
RTFQ!!!!
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 04, 2015, 09:54:52 AM
I was going to call Gobert this morning and utter the words "good banter". I ended up uttering the word "sorry".
I'm too soft!!
Great suggestion Carbon. If you can find me one for £3500 that's not a fucking wreck I'm in.
RTFQ!!!!
I did! and concluded I would be able to win one at auction for EXACTLY! £3484.28
The problem now is that Golden Era Superbikes and the like are becoming a popular classes which is pushing the price of certain bikes upwards.
Liking the 750 idea.
Decent original YZFs are like hens teeth. Might look at an early ZXR
either this or an early blade for me...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-ZXR-750-/171805098763?hash=item280061c30b
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 04, 2015, 10:13:11 AM
Liking the 750 idea.
Might look at an early ZXR
Hasn't Dan got one.
If you go ZXR get an L model (93-95). The J that preceded it was restricted to 100ps to keep the EU happy. I had '94 L2 from new and loved it. It's a better bike than the ZX7 R that replaced it.
if it was the sake of fantasy and I didn't have to worry about using the thing I would have a 748 in a heartbeat. If I actually had to part with my actual money it would be a VFR400.
If I was looking for a bike for every day and I was actually looking in 1995 I'd likely go for an early 90's CBR, either the 600F or the 1000. Still like the look of them amongst modern bikes now.
900 CBR Gilby? weight of a 600, power of a 1000 I recall the marketing was.
Quote from: David W on August 04, 2015, 12:32:24 PM
If you go ZXR get an L model (93-95). The J that preceded it was restricted to 100ps to keep the EU happy. I had '94 L2 from new and loved it. It's a better bike than the ZX7 R that replaced it.
Had discovered that when I looked into them.
I actually like the H model as a bit more old skool.
Quote from: Jarse on August 04, 2015, 01:37:29 PM
900 CBR Gilby? weight of a 600, power of a 1000 I recall the marketing was.
you've sold it to me!
TBH now you've said 900 I really have a soft spot for the ZX9-R
Quote from: Gilby104 on August 04, 2015, 03:16:16 PM
TBH now you've said 900 I really have a soft spot for the ZX9-R
+1
If you're looking to do more sensible track days, why not consider the road bike only option.
Must have a full MOT (no daylight), road legal zorsts (98db) etc.
Only 2 groups, no 'Fast' group.
Dicko's doing one this month at Donny. I can't do it as my bike is too loud but I'll be watching and shall report back with my findings.
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on August 04, 2015, 03:47:24 PM
If you're looking to do more sensible track days, why not consider the road bike only option.
Must have a full MOT (no daylight), road legal zorsts (98db) etc.
Only 2 groups, no 'Fast' group.
Dicko's doing one this month at Donny. I can't do it as my bike is too loud but I'll be watching and shall report back with my findings.
If be interested to hear too. The classic days restrict numbers in groups and ban any overtaking once committed to taking corners until you are accelerating away again. Any "modern classic" I buy will be road registered.
jeebus you forget how fat 750's were back then.
there have been couple of L model (BIG round headlights) for sale here in the last few weeks..they look wicked
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 04, 2015, 03:58:47 PM
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on August 04, 2015, 03:47:24 PM
If you're looking to do more sensible track days, why not consider the road bike only option.
Must have a full MOT (no daylight), road legal zorsts (98db) etc.
Only 2 groups, no 'Fast' group.
Dicko's doing one this month at Donny. I can't do it as my bike is too loud but I'll be watching and shall report back with my findings.
If be interested to hear too. The classic days restrict numbers in groups and ban any overtaking once committed to taking corners until you are accelerating away again. Any "modern classic" I buy will be road registered.
That sounds about as much fun as having sex with a favourite uncle.
Quote from: David W on August 04, 2015, 09:04:25 PM
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on August 04, 2015, 03:58:47 PM
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on August 04, 2015, 03:47:24 PM
If you're looking to do more sensible track days, why not consider the road bike only option.
Must have a full MOT (no daylight), road legal zorsts (98db) etc.
Only 2 groups, no 'Fast' group.
Dicko's doing one this month at Donny. I can't do it as my bike is too loud but I'll be watching and shall report back with my findings.
If be interested to hear too. The classic days restrict numbers in groups and ban any overtaking once committed to taking corners until you are accelerating away again. Any "modern classic" I buy will be road registered.
That sounds about as much fun as having sex with a favourite uncle.
Voice of experience?
when it comes to zxr's the H2 was a bit better than the H1 (bigger carbs, less rubbish oil filter design, better swingarm, bigger radiator e.t.c) but both of them had cripplingly solid rear ends. The J was supposedly the best handling but less powerful than the H2 or the L but was the lightest by about 10kg, the L was the ugliest (subjective I know!) and probably now the cheapest for a clean example and certainly the fastest thanks to the top end from the homologation K model but without the flatslides.
I'd say the best one to have if you dont want to mess with it is an L, as you do notice the lack of top end power on a J and those extra 18hp actually make a surprisingly large difference! But the J is prettier and the H2 has more retro cool :tongue:
Look at me big boy..... You know you want me.....
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b256/davidwe/ZXR750004.jpg)
Quote from: David W on August 05, 2015, 09:06:41 PM
Look at me big boy..... You know you want me.....
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b256/davidwe/ZXR750004.jpg)
Love it
I'll just leave this here, in the best colour too ;)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-zxr-750-L1-/321828990915
Quote from: Bullet on August 10, 2015, 10:12:24 PM
I'll just leave this here, in the best colour too ;)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-zxr-750-L1-/321828990915
Blue screen and disk centres and brake lines yuk!
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on August 10, 2015, 10:16:11 PM
Blue screen and disk centres and brake lines yuk!
90's period correct details that can be changed easily and cheaply Carbon, have some vision of the potential! :tongue: Unfortunately has a bunch of blue anodised crap on it too, also easily sorted ;)
I see it haha
I am sure many would disagree but I like this paint job its so awfully early nineties!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-ZXR-750-/171805098763?hash=item280061c30b
Quote from: LewisBeGoog on August 14, 2015, 10:56:31 AM
I am sure many would disagree but I like this paint job its so awfully early nineties!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-ZXR-750-/171805098763?hash=item280061c30b
I swear ive had the matching leathers for that.....