Had a pedestrian run head down between two rows of stopped traffic on the Chester Road Roundabout at the bottom of Deansgate this morning.... and straight into my GSXR600. Managed to stay on the bike albeit via bouncing off another car. How are people so dopey!!
Anyway, he's ruined my front fairing which there don't seem to be any replacements for. The fairing is all still there it's just split into a few pieces (doesn't go over any stickers).
Can anyone recommend the best way to fix such damage and anyone that can do it for me? The bike is a little minter so I'm looking for the tidiest job I can get away with. I think if it was glued (or similar) with a bit of a sand and a touch up that might do the trick.
As a back up, if anyone sees a nice front cowl for a 2003 GSXR 600 K2 in blue and white (blue would do I expect) then do give me a shout!
Blimey, that's random
Tough break kidder
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on March 01, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
Blimey, that's random
Tough break kidder
Cheers Dan, pain in the arse, but could have been a lot lot worse.
Bloke is ok and seemed thankful not to me in hospital. Was even apologetic. The car beeped like hell but didn't follow me to swap details and hasn't called the police. I called the police and they couldn't have cared less.... didn't even take down my details (I recorded the call time and the chaps collar number to ensure I can't get pinched for not reporting).... so other than the damaged fairing I've got away very lightly.
If matey wakes up with a sore set of ribs and keener eye for self preservation then I'd suggest he's won.
I knocked over a drunk pedestrian years ago, who decided to run out in front of me from behind some bushes.
Policed turned up etc and I was never charged with anything as the guy was quite clearly bladdered. Made a right mess of the front of the car tho, I needed new bumper, lights, bonnet and windscreen but couldn't claim a penny off the idiot. As for him, he was that drunk he was released from hospital that day with nothing wrong with him except a stonking hangover :rolleyes:
Quote from: Foo on March 01, 2016, 01:23:56 PM
I knocked over a drunk pedestrian years ago, who decided to run out in front of me from behind some bushes.
Policed turned up etc and I was never charged with anything as the guy was quite clearly bladdered. Made a right mess of the front of the car tho, I needed new bumper, lights, bonnet and windscreen but couldn't claim a penny off the idiot. As for him, he was that drunk he was released from hospital that day with nothing wrong with him except a stonking hangover :rolleyes:
Must have been pretty terrifying? It's often an assumed starting point that it is the fault of the vehicle driver. Luckily this guy seems like a good guy, just dopey on a stormy Tuesday morning.
Not holding out too much hope that he offers to pay for the damage mind! Just hopeful that the car driver hasn't got any damage / complaints. Last thing I need is an enemy in a box on my morning commute!
Unfortunately there have been a few cases in the last couple of years where despite the pedestrian being a complete twonk, the driver/rider has been held primarily responsible on the basis (depending on location) that the rider/driver should have anticipated the possibility of a pedestrian doing somethng stupid and so whilst there has been a degree of contrip against such twonk, driver/rider has still been hit pretty hard for causation.
It stinks, but as I have said many times before civil law works differently to road traffic law.
If you hit a pedestrian, it's your fault. End of. Shouldn't be riding on the pavement at your age.
Quote from: T.C on March 01, 2016, 02:51:26 PM
Unfortunately there have been a few cases in the last couple of years where despite the pedestrian being a complete twonk, the driver/rider has been held primarily responsible on the basis (depending on location) that the rider/driver should have anticipated the possibility of a pedestrian doing somethng stupid and so whilst there has been a degree of contrip against such twonk, driver/rider has still been hit pretty hard for causation.
It stinks, but as I have said many times before civil law works differently to road traffic law.
Timely as ever T.C. I was just speaking to a former colleague about whether or not I should be kicking up about the cost to fix the bike and the general consensus was to let sleeping dogs lay (if that is what they choose to do) as the last thing you want to do is encourage people to start thinking about whether they put in a PI claim against your insurance.
Unfortunately the only witness I have is the bloke I hit, and I am sure he could be convinced out of being a reasonable apologetic bloke to an ars*hole fairly quickly with the prospect of a few reddies and a week off work.
Cheers T.C.
Quote from: tucola on March 01, 2016, 02:54:26 PM
If you hit a pedestrian, it's your fault. End of. Shouldn't be riding on the pavement at your age.
It's always one rule for one and one for another...... "I Pay My Road Tax"
Quote from: Gilby104 on March 01, 2016, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: Foo on March 01, 2016, 01:23:56 PM
I knocked over a drunk pedestrian years ago, who decided to run out in front of me from behind some bushes.
Policed turned up etc and I was never charged with anything as the guy was quite clearly bladdered. Made a right mess of the front of the car tho, I needed new bumper, lights, bonnet and windscreen but couldn't claim a penny off the idiot. As for him, he was that drunk he was released from hospital that day with nothing wrong with him except a stonking hangover :rolleyes:
Must have been pretty terrifying? It's often an assumed starting point that it is the fault of the vehicle driver. Luckily this guy seems like a good guy, just dopey on a stormy Tuesday morning.
Not holding out too much hope that he offers to pay for the damage mind! Just hopeful that the car driver hasn't got any damage / complaints. Last thing I need is an enemy in a box on my morning commute!
In all honesty it bothered me for quite a few weeks, kept seeing his head hit the windscreen. Was petrified I'd killed him tbh.
From a legal standpoint the coppers told me I might be able to claim back some of the cost of repairs via the small claims court but it wasn't a given I'd get anything.
Quote from: Foo on March 02, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on March 01, 2016, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: Foo on March 01, 2016, 01:23:56 PM
I knocked over a drunk pedestrian years ago, who decided to run out in front of me from behind some bushes.
Policed turned up etc and I was never charged with anything as the guy was quite clearly bladdered. Made a right mess of the front of the car tho, I needed new bumper, lights, bonnet and windscreen but couldn't claim a penny off the idiot. As for him, he was that drunk he was released from hospital that day with nothing wrong with him except a stonking hangover :rolleyes:
Must have been pretty terrifying? It's often an assumed starting point that it is the fault of the vehicle driver. Luckily this guy seems like a good guy, just dopey on a stormy Tuesday morning.
Not holding out too much hope that he offers to pay for the damage mind! Just hopeful that the car driver hasn't got any damage / complaints. Last thing I need is an enemy in a box on my morning commute!
In all honesty it bothered me for quite a few weeks, kept seeing his head hit the windscreen. Was petrified I'd killed him tbh.
From a legal standpoint the coppers told me I might be able to claim back some of the cost of repairs via the small claims court but it wasn't a given I'd get anything.
I'll have to wait and see what the bill is, but if I can get away with a plastic weld without the bike looking horrendous then it'll probably make sense to put the cost down to experience and move on.
My thinking is once I've paid the £65 to go to small claims (I think that's the cost) and include the time and effort (plus the increased chance of a counter claim / insurance declarations + premium hike) I am guessing that I'd be better off just letting it go.
My Plan A at the moment is to get the bike fixed and tell matey boy what it cost me and ask if he has any thoughts on splitting the bill. I'd likely feel that everyone has come out ok for 50% of the fix and a pint. Here's hoping!
the two rides I've done since have been a lot more nervy from me Foo. For me I barely saw him coming so no real mental images to deal with, just the constant concern that someone, from somewhere, is going to do something dramatically stupid.
I suppose it's not a bad attitude to have on the bike (although I already thought I rode fairly defensively).
Quote from: Gilby104 on March 02, 2016, 01:42:39 PM
From a legal standpoint the coppers told me I might be able to claim back some of the cost of repairs via the small claims court but it wasn't a given I'd get anything.
My thinking is once I've paid the £65 to go to small claims (I think that's the cost) and include the time and effort (plus the increased chance of a counter claim / insurance declarations + premium hike) I am guessing that I'd be better off just letting it go.
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What the coppers aso probably did not tell you, is that whilst you might win a claim against the pedestrian, if he has no insurance in place such as home insurance, then the court could award thousands, but f he has no money, you will get nothng even if the balifs are sent in, or he might offer to pay it off at £1 a week or month and you will be waiting years as it cannot be enforced like a fine.
Then as you say, given recent case law, there is the possibility of a counter claim, but the longer it goes without him sending off the statutory letter of claim, the less credible and believable his claim would be.
Quote from: T.C on March 02, 2016, 11:04:24 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on March 02, 2016, 01:42:39 PM
From a legal standpoint the coppers told me I might be able to claim back some of the cost of repairs via the small claims court but it wasn't a given I'd get anything.
My thinking is once I've paid the £65 to go to small claims (I think that's the cost) and include the time and effort (plus the increased chance of a counter claim / insurance declarations + premium hike) I am guessing that I'd be better off just letting it go.
What the coppers aso probably did not tell you, is that whilst you might win a claim against the pedestrian, if he has no insurance in place such as home insurance, then the court could award thousands, but f he has no money, you will get nothng even if the balifs are sent in, or he might offer to pay it off at £1 a week or month and you will be waiting years as it cannot be enforced like a fine.
Then as you say, given recent case law, there is the possibility of a counter claim, but the longer it goes without him sending off the statutory letter of claim, the less credible and believable his claim would be.
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Thanks T.C.
Coppers have not said anything but I was aware of the potential payment problems from a small claims win; added to the pile of reasons not to bother with a claim.
Good to know about the time / credibility of a claim from him.
I think that answer is to keep it amicable, ask him the question (probably pitch the idea of sharing the cost TBH) and see where we go from there.
Some dozy berk nearly did this to me this morning!
Just ran headlong into the road, only seeing me at the last minute!
Without the ABS, I suspect I'd have been off.
As it was, managed a swerve, full anchors on, with the ABS pulsing, stayed upright and no harm done.
Good advert for ABS on bikes...
Quote from: tucola on March 03, 2016, 04:26:16 PM
Some dozy berk nearly did this to me this morning!
Just ran headlong into the road, only seeing me at the last minute!
Without the ABS, I suspect I'd have been off.
As it was, managed a swerve, full anchors on, with the ABS pulsing, stayed upright and no harm done.
Good advert for ABS on bikes...
Must be something in the water!
I was thanking my lucky starts on Tuesday that I didn't have a chance to touch the brakes.... I'd have definitely ended up on the deck.
Were you impressed with how the ABS dealt with it all?
That's shite luck, and it certainly makes you nervous when riding afterwards cos it doesn't really matter how carefully you ride, somebody can fuck you up.
A few years ago I hit a pedestrian who was crossing the street against the lights (they were red for him, green for me). A bus travelling in the same direction as me was moving through the junction. I was alongside the bus, overtaking it and out he stepped from in front of the moving bus, head down, reading a fucking map!
I braked, locked up the front tyre, he looked up from his map, did that little 'which way will I go?' dance and didn't pick either direction. Instead, he stopped directly in my path. I collided with him, parted company with my bike, and took a tumble down the road. I was doing about 20mph. He landed in front of the bus, which stopped in time not to run over him.
What followed was four police cars, two ambulances, a helicopter on stand-by, and closing Regent Street in Central London to traffic for four hours on a Friday evening. My bike was a cosmetic write-off. He got carted off to hospital with a head injury because I think we head-butted and then he whacked his head on the road. He was an elderly American tourist. I was just glad he wasn't dead. In fact, I thought he was at first cos when I crawled over to him he was lying on his back, arms by his sides, eyes open and blank, and I saw his complexion drain and he went grey in front of me.
When the investigating Sergeant turned up, he was immediately aggressive towards me. But after speaking to the nine witnesses who were all on my side, his attitude softened. It didn't exactly become friendly but it was no longer a foregone conclusion in his mind that I was to blame.
My no claims bonus was protected so I just claimed on it. I got more in the settlement than I paid for the bike, so that was okay. I didn't hear anything else about the accident from the police, CPS or anybody else after that day.
I still have a slightly numb thigh now, from compressing my sciatic nerve, though. :undecided:
As I told the officers that night, when I ride, I expect people to do the stupidest thing imaginable. I didn't expect that. It certainly made me more nervous riding in town since, especially on Regent Street.
Quote from: Raydial on March 06, 2016, 03:30:55 PM
That's shite luck, and it certainly makes you nervous when riding afterwards cos it doesn't really matter how carefully you ride, somebody can fuck you up.
A few years ago I hit a pedestrian who was crossing the street against the lights (they were red for him, green for me). A bus travelling in the same direction as me was moving through the junction. I was alongside the bus, overtaking it and out he stepped from in front of the moving bus, head down, reading a fucking map!
I braked, locked up the front tyre, he looked up from his map, did that little 'which way will I go?' dance and didn't pick either direction. Instead, he stopped directly in my path. I collided with him, parted company with my bike, and took a tumble down the road. I was doing about 20mph. He landed in front of the bus, which stopped in time not to run over him.
What followed was four police cars, two ambulances, a helicopter on stand-by, and closing Regent Street in Central London to traffic for four hours on a Friday evening. My bike was a cosmetic write-off. He got carted off to hospital with a head injury because I think we head-butted and then he whacked his head on the road. He was an elderly American tourist. I was just glad he wasn't dead. In fact, I thought he was at first cos when I crawled over to him he was lying on his back, arms by his sides, eyes open and blank, and I saw his complexion drain and he went grey in front of me.
When the investigating Sergeant turned up, he was immediately aggressive towards me. But after speaking to the nine witnesses who were all on my side, his attitude softened. It didn't exactly become friendly but it was no longer a foregone conclusion in his mind that I was to blame.
My no claims bonus was protected so I just claimed on it. I got more in the settlement than I paid for the bike, so that was okay. I didn't hear anything else about the accident from the police, CPS or anybody else after that day.
I still have a slightly numb thigh now, from compressing my sciatic nerve, though. :undecided:
As I told the officers that night, when I ride, I expect people to do the stupidest thing imaginable. I didn't expect that. It certainly made me more nervous riding in town since, especially on Regent Street.
that sounds horrible mate, it's that attitude from the police that I was really worried about. I feel very lucky with how lightly I escaped.
The front end has now been plastic welded and in a few weeks time I'll take it back off to get it painted. All in all the cost will be around £120 which feels like a win too.
I've text matey to tell him that I am not going to pursue a claim or chase him for the money but if he thinks it's the right thing to do to help out with the cost then I'd be happy to split the cost 50/50 and buy him a beer. See how humanity deals with that as an idea. If it doesn't work out I'll stomach the cost and put it down to experience!
On a side note.... What are those clips on bodywork where it looks like a plastic rivet but the centre pushes through the middle..... I've broken or lost several..... nothing has fallen off on the test ride but I'd like to replace them if I can!
Well he's come back happy to pay for half the cost and we're going to meet for a beer for him to pay up.
When people are decent people we really are a good old bunch!
If only governments cottened on to the idea of talking, the world would be a better place........
Well done Gilboir
Quote from: Gilby104 on March 08, 2016, 01:20:48 PM
On a side note.... What are those clips on bodywork where it looks like a plastic rivet but the centre pushes through the middle..... I've broken or lost several..... nothing has fallen off on the test ride but I'd like to replace them if I can!
Push rivets? E.g.
http://www.vehicleclips.co.uk/8mm-plastic-push-fit-rivet-for-vauxhall-opel-wheel-arch-linings-bumpers.html?gclid=COPG-eiUvssCFRYTGwodeOMN9w#237=7
Quote from: Raydial on March 13, 2016, 05:19:15 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on March 08, 2016, 01:20:48 PM
On a side note.... What are those clips on bodywork where it looks like a plastic rivet but the centre pushes through the middle..... I've broken or lost several..... nothing has fallen off on the test ride but I'd like to replace them if I can!
Push rivets? E.g.
http://www.vehicleclips.co.uk/8mm-plastic-push-fit-rivet-for-vauxhall-opel-wheel-arch-linings-bumpers.html?gclid=COPG-eiUvssCFRYTGwodeOMN9w#237=7
Thanks Raydial, after coming up with the name to describe them on here (which I thought was fairly catchy!) I searched under that name and found them. Cheers boss.
So, the woman who's car I have bounced off in this incident has come to me asking for compensation for damage to her car. She is looking at £450 to fix the scrape (3 panels) but the car is worth about £1,000. I suggested that I would help her to fix the car and would share the cost with her. She is keener to go through insurance as she thinks it will cost her nothing and she'll get her excess back.
Now I hit her when she was stationary but maintain the incident was not my fault. What would be your guess as to what the insurance companies will determine in this circumstance. Is it the case that she will get her excess back if I deny responsibility.
any advice welcome.
They're more likely to write the car off if it's only worth a G. Has she got nice bangers?
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on April 20, 2016, 11:46:30 AM
They're more likely to write the car off if it's only worth a G. Has she got nice bangers?
That's what I thought, which is no good to anyone. I couldn't really be being more reasonable in helping her get the best out of a bad situation but I get the feeling she thinks it will all come up roses if she goes to the insurance company.
No sorry boss, she's ropey, weird and a fully paid up member of the god squad.... there is no sweetner to this deal my friend!
Quote from: Gilby104 on April 20, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on April 20, 2016, 11:46:30 AM
They're more likely to write the car off if it's only worth a G. Has she got nice bangers?
That's what I thought, which is no good to anyone. I couldn't really be being more reasonable in helping her get the best out of a bad situation but I get the feeling she thinks it will all come up roses if she goes to the insurance company.
No sorry boss, she's ropey, weird and a fully paid up member of the god squad.... there is no sweetner to this deal my friend!
She could be a virgin? Close your eyes and imagine she's...... Well, you know.
Quote from: PJ on April 20, 2016, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on April 20, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on April 20, 2016, 11:46:30 AM
They're more likely to write the car off if it's only worth a G. Has she got nice bangers?
That's what I thought, which is no good to anyone. I couldn't really be being more reasonable in helping her get the best out of a bad situation but I get the feeling she thinks it will all come up roses if she goes to the insurance company.
No sorry boss, she's ropey, weird and a fully paid up member of the god squad.... there is no sweetner to this deal my friend!
She could be a virgin? Close your eyes and imagine she's...... Well, you know.
I think it's more the excessive breading kind of religion..... different ball game!
Quote from: Gilby104 on April 20, 2016, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: PJ on April 20, 2016, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on April 20, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on April 20, 2016, 11:46:30 AM
They're more likely to write the car off if it's only worth a G. Has she got nice bangers?
That's what I thought, which is no good to anyone. I couldn't really be being more reasonable in helping her get the best out of a bad situation but I get the feeling she thinks it will all come up roses if she goes to the insurance company.
No sorry boss, she's ropey, weird and a fully paid up member of the god squad.... there is no sweetner to this deal my friend!
She could be a virgin? Close your eyes and imagine she's...... Well, you know.
I think it's more the excessive breading kind of religion..... different ball game!
Eeesh, that's alot of carbs, even for a Christian....
Quote from: PJ on April 20, 2016, 02:29:30 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on April 20, 2016, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: PJ on April 20, 2016, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on April 20, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on April 20, 2016, 11:46:30 AM
They're more likely to write the car off if it's only worth a G. Has she got nice bangers?
That's what I thought, which is no good to anyone. I couldn't really be being more reasonable in helping her get the best out of a bad situation but I get the feeling she thinks it will all come up roses if she goes to the insurance company.
No sorry boss, she's ropey, weird and a fully paid up member of the god squad.... there is no sweetner to this deal my friend!
She could be a virgin? Close your eyes and imagine she's...... Well, you know.
I think it's more the excessive breading kind of religion..... different ball game!
Eeesh, that's alot of carbs, even for a Christian....
That's what I love about you PJ..... you're loaves of fun!!
Quote from: Gilby104 on April 20, 2016, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: PJ on April 20, 2016, 02:29:30 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on April 20, 2016, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: PJ on April 20, 2016, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on April 20, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on April 20, 2016, 11:46:30 AM
They're more likely to write the car off if it's only worth a G. Has she got nice bangers?
That's what I thought, which is no good to anyone. I couldn't really be being more reasonable in helping her get the best out of a bad situation but I get the feeling she thinks it will all come up roses if she goes to the insurance company.
No sorry boss, she's ropey, weird and a fully paid up member of the god squad.... there is no sweetner to this deal my friend!
She could be a virgin? Close your eyes and imagine she's...... Well, you know.
I think it's more the excessive breading kind of religion..... different ball game!
Eeesh, that's alot of carbs, even for a Christian....
That's what I love about you PJ..... you're loaves of fun!!
There's no denying that fact! Whatever way you slice it.....
I hope you got all the advice you kneaded.