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Title: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on June 25, 2018, 04:24:19 PM
bit of a strange one , needing to do an oil change on the duke as ive poured most of it over the road , all i can find is everyone online saying it must be fully synth must be fully synth etc , but im always told to follow the manual of which it says and i quote "partially synthetic" the recommend motorex formula 4t as the oil , but is that going to be sufficient giving the type of engine it is?

what im trying to work out is who seems to know best , the people that built it , or every single person that rides one
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: MOzZereLLa on June 25, 2018, 05:40:33 PM
I would always go semi-synth for road riding.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on June 25, 2018, 06:44:07 PM
Even due to the "race" like engine of the KTM? What I mean to say , is there a disadvantage to running fully synth other than the increased cost?
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Green_Ninja on June 25, 2018, 08:55:41 PM
The manual is written by KTM, the bke is biult by KTM, they recommend semi - synthetic therefore use semi - synthetic as that is what KTM - THE DESIGNER AND MANUFACTURER -  recommend - simples  ;) ;) ;)

Did you say on another thread you were a trained engineer......................................................................... :undecided:
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on June 26, 2018, 12:00:59 AM
Quote from: Green_Ninja on June 25, 2018, 08:55:41 PM
The manual is written by KTM, the bke is biult by KTM, they recommend semi - synthetic therefore use semi - synthetic as that is what KTM - THE DESIGNER AND MANUFACTURER -  recommend - simples  ;) ;) ;)

Did you say on another thread you were a trained engineer......................................................................... :undecided:
"qualified mechanic"*
(loosely)

ive just checked the service history , main dealer put in completely different oil 10w60 fully synth when should have been 15w50 , and another dealer put in 10w40(has in it at present)

i would always go with what the dealer recommends but when i cant find anyone that actually does go with that recommendation , including main dealers , it makes me want to ask questions

Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Alzo on June 26, 2018, 06:28:14 AM
Do you have a owners manual?
If yes use the oil recommended within the Specification page.
What previous buffoons have done should not concern you...you are in a position to right the wrong.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 26, 2018, 08:26:53 AM
What would you have done if the previous owner had put chicken soup in there instead of oil? Ring a KTM dealer, look at the owners manual, google it, but whatever you do, put what is supposed to be in there, in there.

Was you mechanics course by correspondence with a 'university' in India?
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on June 26, 2018, 09:15:00 AM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 26, 2018, 08:26:53 AM
What would you have done if the previous owner had put chicken soup in there instead of oil? Ring a KTM dealer, look at the owners manual, google it, but whatever you do, put what is supposed to be in there, in there.

Was you mechanics course by correspondence with a 'university' in India?
It was not no, I looked onlone first as I didn't realise I had the owners manual
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Lord Danoir the first on June 26, 2018, 09:29:33 AM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 25, 2018, 04:24:19 PM
what im trying to work out is who seems to know best , the people that built it , or every single person that rides one

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Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on June 26, 2018, 09:52:23 AM
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on June 26, 2018, 09:29:33 AM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 25, 2018, 04:24:19 PM
what im trying to work out is who seems to know best , the people that built it , or every single person that rides one

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I keep this forum alive! Show some dam respect! And do not post a r.e.s.p.e.c.t meme 😊
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: terry950sm on June 26, 2018, 01:52:11 PM
I use fully synthetic in all my KTMS. 10-60 on the singles and 10-50 on the twins.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: komp on June 26, 2018, 02:28:49 PM
my ktm's manual doesn't state if semi or fully synth
just that it should use 10w50
last lot i bought was fully synth tho
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Alzo on June 26, 2018, 02:30:16 PM
If the Break in period is over Fully Synthetic will be fine.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on June 26, 2018, 06:08:44 PM
the conflict im having , ktm swear by motorex

they recommend motorex formula 4t which is a semi
i can get the motorex fully synthetic for same price £11 a litre in the same weight
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Raydial on June 26, 2018, 06:54:43 PM
I know how you should decide...

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Title: Re: which oil
Post by: DaveH on June 26, 2018, 08:53:08 PM
I thought that as long as it meet the minimum, or stated spec then all was good
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on June 26, 2018, 08:58:49 PM
I've gone for the recommended one as I managed to get it for £9 a litre from wemoto
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: terry950sm on June 26, 2018, 09:46:56 PM
I used this for the last few oil changes on the 950sm

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ipone-Off-Road-4-Stroke-Synthetic-Motocross-Katana-MX-Engine-Oil-10W-50-4-Litre/352203693300?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: David W on June 27, 2018, 07:10:13 PM
It's only oil.  Put whatever they sell in Halfords of the right grade from a brand you've heard of in it.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on June 27, 2018, 08:36:23 PM
Quote from: David W on June 27, 2018, 07:10:13 PM
It's only oil.  Put whatever they sell in Halfords of the right grade from a brand you've heard of in it.
if it was a Honda , i would have...
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on June 30, 2018, 07:58:35 AM
I'm feeling I should drain the oil cold as I'm not entirely sure how much is left in it as it lost alot , draining cold will still have the same effect just take longer to drain right? It's not something I've really ever done
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Alzo on June 30, 2018, 08:06:59 AM
Top it up....run it...drain it hot.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: terry950sm on June 30, 2018, 11:29:15 AM
FFS is this thread still going  :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn:
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Alzo on June 30, 2018, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: terry950sm on June 30, 2018, 11:29:15 AM
FFS is this thread still going  :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn:
Every mechanic needs tuition on how to drain oil.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on June 30, 2018, 10:29:20 PM
Quote from: terry950sm on June 30, 2018, 11:29:15 AM
FFS is this thread still going  :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn: :azn:
Keeping the forum alive!
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Alzo on June 30, 2018, 10:38:16 PM
Have you thought about euthanasia?
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Manic636 on June 30, 2018, 11:11:19 PM
It's like Toypop has returned tbh
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Alzo on July 01, 2018, 08:35:19 AM
Is this a real person...ALWAYS had my doubts.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on July 01, 2018, 07:08:15 PM
It lives!!!!!
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: DaveH on July 01, 2018, 07:22:46 PM
:thumbright: :moto:
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on July 01, 2018, 10:11:31 PM
Now I've noticed the tyre is a bit low on pressure what should I use ? Nitrogen?
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Alzo on July 01, 2018, 10:18:34 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on July 01, 2018, 10:11:31 PM
Now I've noticed the tyre is a bit low on pressure what should I use ? Nitrogen?
Dynamite...that will blow up any size of tyre.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: DaveH on July 01, 2018, 10:54:34 PM
Only ride it at high altitude
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Manic636 on July 01, 2018, 11:18:42 PM
If its the front tyre then it shouldn't matter on that because you should be on the back wheel everywhere... If its the back one then it will just help the wheelies.. job done  ;)
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Alzo on July 02, 2018, 06:42:39 AM
Alternatively ride on the rims and save on tyre cost.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Lord Danoir the first on July 02, 2018, 07:06:29 AM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 30, 2018, 10:29:20 PM
Keeping the forum alive!

At what cost?

And by that I mean, the next time you think to yourself "the forum hasn't been posted on in a while, I know, I'll post something obtuse and banal in order to keep it going"....... on behalf of members past and present...... please don't.

Keep it alive, keep it fucking interesting, please.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Alzo on July 02, 2018, 09:25:50 AM
Time for the reveal...who are you????....remove the Stig helmet and show yourself.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Carbon_ZX6R on July 02, 2018, 10:21:20 AM
80 percent of how and what I say is for effect , you guys just bite
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Lord Danoir the first on July 02, 2018, 10:40:30 AM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on July 02, 2018, 10:21:20 AM
80 percent of how and what I say is for effect , you guys just bite

that's human nature dear boy, of course we'll 'bite', you ask questions; however stupid and someone will answer you. Most of the people who still post on this forum are thoroughly decent chaps and chapettes, if you wish to take advantage of that by trolling, don't then blame them for biting, they're just trying to help and have a bit of fun at the same time.

I won't bite in future, others may.

My parting bite: don't drain cold oil, any particles will remain settled and will simply circulate with your new oil.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: the invisible dog on July 02, 2018, 10:53:47 AM

Helium would reduce unsprung weight?
Works in party balloons  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Dom1 on July 02, 2018, 11:03:34 AM
Putting helium in the front tyre only helps with wheelies if you can't get it up.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Alzo on July 02, 2018, 12:07:04 PM
The questions you're asking are clearly a pisstake...you claim to have a mechanical background then proceed to ask questions that I would expect from someone who doesn't have a mechanical background.
In Scotland we call this "Taking the cunt"...is that fair comment?
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Kitb4460 on July 02, 2018, 05:55:08 PM
Quote from: Alzo on July 02, 2018, 12:07:04 PM
The questions you're asking are clearly a pisstake...you claim to have a mechanical background then proceed to ask questions that I would expect from someone who doesn't have a mechanical background.
In Scotland we call this "Taking the cunt"...is that fair comment?

Classic.  :cool:
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: David W on July 03, 2018, 06:27:35 AM
Henceforth known as Forum Thrush.

Annoying cunt.
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Neio79 on July 03, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
So in conclusion:

Drain oil when hot and use the recommended semi-synth the book tells you too? Got it. Cheers.  :icon_salut:
Title: Re: which oil
Post by: Green_Ninja on July 03, 2018, 05:56:43 PM
Quote from: David W on July 03, 2018, 06:27:35 AM
Henceforth known as Forum Thrush.

Annoying cunt.


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