Hello All remember me?
So it appears bikes are fun who knew?!? ;-)
I'd like to enter the world of bike trackdays again. I used to pootle about on 400's, then had a b1h and then a 5sl r6 for years.. I've currently got a 2007 r1 (pre big bang) road bike which I love. I tracked it once but on road tyres and it felt mental quick... I don't want to track it as I find the thought of wrecking a road bike slows me down too much :angel:
so...
I was thinking maybe another 4c8 r1 as I like the idea of being able to jump off the road bike onto the same model trackbike..
but...
I've never really got good enough to make the most out of a thou.. always preferred smaller bikes where i can make up the lack of grunt with corner speed and feel like i'm getting the most out of it.. otherwise i'm the person you hate - storming up to a corner, stopping, pootling round and then poooowweeer!
however
these days most people seem to be on thou's.. I'd like to do more european trackdays too.
thoughts? :afro:
The 'problem' seems to be that people are using late generation 1000cc bikes with all their lovely electronic aids to prevent you launching into the scenery.
Depends how worried you are about winning the Inters group? :)
I couldn't care about winning inters or even fast, just want it to be enjoyable :moto: I guess a thou would teach me better throttle control..
What doesn't help is that manufacturers only have one real sportsbike in their ranges these days.
Late GSXR750 is the default option for power, handling and manageability without clever electronics. Depends how much you want to spend?
Just rent this:
http://www.smallboytrackbikes.co.uk/tbTri765RS.php
just get another R6 or CB600RR or ZX6R and rag the arse off it, it'll more fun than a 1000
Got a nice b1h going cheep ..... Well sorted for track....
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on April 12, 2019, 04:56:24 PM
Got a nice b1h going cheep ..... Well sorted for track....
what took you so long :tongue:
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on April 12, 2019, 04:56:24 PM
Got a nice b1h going cheep ..... Well sorted for track....
Like a baby bird....or is it cheap.
It is the noise it makes...
Quote from: David W on April 12, 2019, 10:39:45 AM
The 'problem' seems to be that people are using late generation 1000cc bikes with all their lovely electronic aids to prevent you launching into the scenery.
Depends how worried you are about winning the Inters group? :)
How 'very dare them', ride a bike with electronics making their experience safer.
Really not sure I see the 'problem' ? :shocked:
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on April 12, 2019, 04:56:24 PM
Got a nice b1h going cheep ..... Well sorted for track....
possibly the most expensive b1h listed on the uk interweb :rolleyes:
(granted.. it has some nice bits... you know you should sell the nice bits separately put back to standard where possible and reduce the price of the bike)
Quote from: m6rk on April 12, 2019, 10:04:28 AM
I was thinking maybe another 4c8 r1 as I like the idea of being able to jump off the road bike onto the same model trackbike..
do it ... i'm clearly not bias ... :rofl:
your timing sucks balls... last week i sold my spare set of 4c8 track fairings .. ( and they were blue/black :( )
after tracking coxy's gsxr1000 for a few years, I went down this route... 4c8 for the road and 4c8 for the track...
I pretty much stopped road riding in 2013 .. my road 4c8 has spent most of its life sat in the garage
(although I did commute on it last year... got unlucky.. got pulled , got lucky, had to do the ride course (again :undecided:))
i've been meaning to pop over to catch up.. but you know how slack i am .. just been busy :(
(last time I saw you I was changing jobs.... since then i've changed jobs again ... congrats on your new position too :laugh: )
anyways.. since giving up road riding and 100+ trackdays later... I'm really no quicker :undecided:
(maybe a little, on a good day ;))
Just enjoy the time on track with some mates, Your mentality to track changes the more you do
Would be good to see you out on track again ... got the following booked for the rest of the year (so far) :
April 19th - Bedford ( has spaces )
May 24th - Cartagena 3 days ( has spaces )
Sept 27th - Aragon 3 days ( event has been full a while )
Nov 30th - Almeria/Andalcia/Espana - 4 days ( has spaces )
Will be doing some trackdays in june/july/august ;)..
(possibly sneak in another euro :moto: )
you will generally have fun with whoever is on the same cc of bike
all my trackday buddies ride litre bikes (cbr1000rr,gsxr1000,s1000rr,zx10r,rsv4,rc8 etc)
playing on track with a random trackdayer is good fun, playing on track with your mates is even better
most euro tracks will benefit from a litre bike imo
do it
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-R1-4c8-07-08-track-bike-with-v5/173866989945?hash=item287b47b979:g:1ssAAOSw03Jcq36c
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-r1-4c8-2008-track-bike-race-bike/173860412802?hash=item287ae35d82:g:ySwAAOSwE3Fco5xb
Thanks for all the replies.. rich get your ass over to mine for a coffee ;)
Quote from: R1ch on April 12, 2019, 09:47:23 PM
Quote from: David W on April 12, 2019, 10:39:45 AM
The 'problem' seems to be that people are using late generation 1000cc bikes with all their lovely electronic aids to prevent you launching into the scenery.
Depends how worried you are about winning the Inters group? :)
How 'very dare them', ride a bike with electronics making their experience safer.
Really not sure I see the 'problem' ? :shocked:
No shit Sherlock. That would be why I described it in quote marks, seeing as Mark was talking about the speed and manageability of 1000cc bikes on track. But thanks for playing :rolleyes:
Someone who is good will still be pretty much fastest on the majority of trackdays with a 600, however if you aren't very good, like me, then being on a 600 still seems to work as an excuse!!
I guess if I had more money I was willing to throw at the handful of trackdays I do per year then I would get the latest and greatest thou. But for now I will stick to a 600, it's a cheap bike, cheaper for tyres and fuel, I'm not worried about damaging it and it's still a lot of fun even if you lose a lot of time on the straight compared to a similarly (un)skilled thou rider
What's changed is just how manageable the 1000cc bikes are now. They are incredible bits of kit. I was always hesitant getting on the gas with my SP2 and Fireblade but that's not such a worry on the new ones (which is a good thing before anyone get triggered).
I'll be doing my first trackday in 9 years this year on my MT. Hopefully the TC will stop me launching it!
I'd rather have a decent sorted 600-750 sports bike for track riding.
Some of us raced national standard spec Superbikes before electronics had only scratched the surface of MotoGP and learnt the hard way.
Quote from: David W on April 13, 2019, 10:36:12 AM
I'll be doing my first trackday in 9 years this year on my MT. Hopefully the TC will stop me launching it!
on track you will see more and more see people learning to lean on the electronics .. fair play to them ... and then boom.. it highsides, just the same as any bike .. normally worse.. the rider has really over stepped the mark to get it so wrong... and they have no idea what happened ....
tempted to upgrade to something with electronic wizardry ... but realistically it makes no different to the fun factor for me ... the most fun is had riding with your mates in a safe environment (and trusting each other enough to not take each other out) .. buy the bike that enables this...
the later generation bikes might make playing easier .. but they are expensive to put on track, expensive to get parts for, so expensive to repair .. a few more years and it'll hopefully be time to buy one, when they become cheap.. if they ever do...
(as an example replacement '12 s1000rr clocks still £450 2nd hand.. and then they need coding...and bmw only like to code the £800 clocks they supply..shocking)
we are all getting older, all have more money for our hobbies, and more and more people only riding on track.. so buying better trackbikes.. the current r1 is a complete weapon on track
depending on your definition of trackbike, to me.. its a bike that allows me to play with my friends in a safe environment, but more importantly.. i won't cry if it goes down the tarmac..
(then just needs track focused tyres (and quality tyre warmers.. those 2 laps each session warming your tyres soon add up), suspension sorting, quality race pads, quality brake fluid, engine covers.. then maybe a brembo master cylinder, quick action throttle, hm quickshifter, gear indicator (if it doesn't have one), rearsets, exhaust system, some carbon, a useful steering damper, a slipper clutch that works)
but really ... just track focused tyres and suspension would be enough
last month i turned on racechrono in the pits at snetterton and it must of picked up at least 6 bluetooth gps devices ... and you see more and more starlane and aim solo fitted to bikes... granted some people are timing for fun... only a handful take it too seriously
any how... let me tell you a story :
there was this chap, back in the early days of mcnninjas (maybe even when it was on msn) posted a lot, some say everyday.. a super active poster, used to do a few trackdays back in the day when people still rode to trackdays ... had a blue fireblade (954 ? power of a modern tuned 600 ? but heavier .. if any bike needed electronics this was it.. it was scary opening the throttle ;) )... and then he brought a honda v-twin thingy (the bike honda built to win world superbikes, in 2000 it did, by Haga being disqualified for a drug that naturally occurred some herb... in 2002 it won fair and square :moto:) .... he gave loads of advice over the internet about bikes, was a knowledge chap .. in the words of bertie :police:, didn't post 'shy and boring' posts .. he hadn't done a trackday in 9 years .... brought a lovely MT roadbike ... stands it on some lovely gee tech stands in the garage .... looks a bit like Johnny 5 .....
;)
what do you think of the story so far ... :rofl:
yeh, cool story Bro.
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Generally speaking, your average trackday rider with experience will be similar times on a 1000 or 600, it boils down to what floats ya boat :)
Quote from: Green_Ninja on April 12, 2019, 04:54:13 PM
just get another R6 or CB600RR or ZX6R and rag the arse off it, it'll more fun than a 1000
Bullshit :grin: :grin:
Quote from: mc101 on May 24, 2019, 08:19:04 PM
Quote from: Green_Ninja on April 12, 2019, 04:54:13 PM
just get another R6 or CB600RR or ZX6R and rag the arse off it, it'll more fun than a 1000
Bullshit :grin: :grin:
for your average occasional track day rider not a riding GOD like you ;)