The contenders are:
1.Kawasaki ZH2 Supercharger
2. KTM 1290 Superduke R 3.0
3. 2021 BMW S1000R (to be revealed)
Outside runner could be the updated Speed Triple 1200 (to be revealed).
As it stand the draw is strongest towards the KTM at the moment.
Feel free to offer the usual measured balanced opinions.
Thank you in advance.
BMW S1000RR has reliability some horror stories flying around it so I'm not sure I'd be keen on a new model based on it.
Kawasaki's are shit these days so that leaves KTM or Triumph.
I'd probably lean towards the Triumph unless they screw it right up!
No brainer, KTM
couldn't possibly recommend triumph after the shit i have had with mine
although you never know they may product a bike without any issues next year... :rofl:
how about the ducati streetfighter v4.
i still keep thinking that i should have got one
and shouldn't have let silly things like not having enough money get in my way
Quote from: David W on October 30, 2020, 03:39:24 PMBMW S1000RR has reliability some horror stories flying around it so I'm not sure I'd be keen on a new model based on it.
Kawasaki's are shit these days so that leaves KTM or Triumph.
I'd probably lean towards the Triumph unless they screw it right up!
Yeah feel I've did enough of BMW...current bike shuts down when I fuel up...to get a Software update...new fuel pump and pipes.
ZH2 was impressive...but...🤔
I'm awaiting a call for a test ride on the KTM...every review is hugely positive.
Look forward to the Speed release...the Trident released today looks great...only 80bhp...so no use to a God like me...😊😉...but a quality looking bike
Quote from: komp on October 30, 2020, 03:48:05 PMNo brainer, KTM
couldn't possibly recommend triumph after the shit i have had with mine
although you never know they may product a bike without any issues next year... :rofl:
how about the ducati streetfighter v4.
i still keep thinking that i should have got one
and shouldn't have let silly things like not having enough money get in my way
Ducati isn't on my radar...I just have no draw to it at all...🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
KTM is doing it for me.
Get the ZH2 or the KTM.
Kawasaki build quality is fine.
KTM looks a whole lot of fun, but not keen on the headlight and plasticky bits.
ZH2 you've ridden and liked. Not a looker but tail tidy, different can and get rid of the mirrors and you will have 1 serious weapon.
BMW will be a serious piece of kit too, but you will be back at the dealers regularly.
Triumph build quality is questionable too.
Quote from: GRUMPY on October 30, 2020, 04:09:29 PMGet the ZH2 or the KTM.
Kawasaki build quality is fine.
KTM looks a whole lot of fun, but not keen on the headlight and plasticky bits.
ZH2 you've ridden and liked. Not a looker but tail tidy, different can and get rid of the mirrors and you will have 1 serious weapon.
BMW will be a serious piece of kit too, but you will be back at the dealers regularly.
Triumph build quality is questionable too.
I haven't ruled the ZH2 out at all...but I watched Dave Moss tuning on You Tube...and his comment was he reckoned the standard rear shock on the ZH2 would be useless after 2000 miles...🤷♂️...he seems well respected in the Suspension world...so to hear him say that was off putting...I know it can be upgraded...but at just shy of £16k I really hadn't planned to do that for a new bike.
Manufacturers are fitting some fucking cheap and nasty suspension on bikes these days. I got told by someone in the industry that the manufacturers purchase budget for a sportsbike shock was about £50!
Quote from: Alzo on October 30, 2020, 04:20:28 PMQuote from: GRUMPY on October 30, 2020, 04:09:29 PMGet the ZH2 or the KTM.
Kawasaki build quality is fine.
KTM looks a whole lot of fun, but not keen on the headlight and plasticky bits.
ZH2 you've ridden and liked. Not a looker but tail tidy, different can and get rid of the mirrors and you will have 1 serious weapon.
BMW will be a serious piece of kit too, but you will be back at the dealers regularly.
Triumph build quality is questionable too.
I haven't ruled the ZH2 out at all...but I watched Dave Moss tuning on You Tube...and his comment was he reckoned the standard rear shock on the ZH2 would be useless after 2000 miles...🤷♂️...he seems well respected in the Suspension world...so to hear him say that was off putting...I know it can be upgraded...but at just shy of £16k I really hadn't planned to do that for a new bike.
I can't believe a new shock would be toast after 2000 miles. And if it was it would surely be covered by warranty. That Dave Moss may know his stuff but he never, couldn't, set the rear sag on the ZH2. 🙄
Quote from: GRUMPY on October 30, 2020, 10:34:04 PMQuote from: Alzo on October 30, 2020, 04:20:28 PMQuote from: GRUMPY on October 30, 2020, 04:09:29 PMGet the ZH2 or the KTM.
Kawasaki build quality is fine.
KTM looks a whole lot of fun, but not keen on the headlight and plasticky bits.
ZH2 you've ridden and liked. Not a looker but tail tidy, different can and get rid of the mirrors and you will have 1 serious weapon.
BMW will be a serious piece of kit too, but you will be back at the dealers regularly.
Triumph build quality is questionable too.
I haven't ruled the ZH2 out at all...but I watched Dave Moss tuning on You Tube...and his comment was he reckoned the standard rear shock on the ZH2 would be useless after 2000 miles...🤷♂️...he seems well respected in the Suspension world...so to hear him say that was off putting...I know it can be upgraded...but at just shy of £16k I really hadn't planned to do that for a new bike.
I can't believe a new shock would be toast after 2000 miles. And if it was it would surely be covered by warranty. That Dave Moss may know his stuff but he never, couldn't, set the rear sag on the ZH2. 🙄
Aye...didn't have the right tools...😊
I would have had you down for the Kwak.
You aren't a good enough rider for the KTM 😉
Quote from: MOzZereLLa on October 31, 2020, 09:59:40 AMI would have had you down for the Kwak.
You aren't a good enough rider for the KTM 😉
Thank you. 😙
The generation before was too much for you from memory...but then again I do more mileage walking than you do riding. 😊😉
KTM 1290R is mental. My GT 1290 engine is a peach. One of the reasons l might keep it.
Quote from: terry950sm on October 31, 2020, 03:16:33 PMKTM 1290R is mental. My GT 1290 engine is a peach. One of the reasons l might keep it.
Yeah it seems to be much improved...looking forward to a Test ride.
Joking aside. I really don't think you'll like the KTM. You were quite vocal about not liking V Twins. The Gen 3 Superduke might be slightly lighter and have much better handling but I don't think there's that much change to the motor.
Reliability aside I'd be adding the Tuono to that list - you'd then get a Superbike motor and handling in a more upright package.
Quote from: MOzZereLLa on October 31, 2020, 04:21:01 PMJoking aside. I really don't think you'll like the KTM. You were quite vocal about not liking V Twins. The Gen 3 Superduke might be slightly lighter and have much better handling but I don't think there's that much change to the motor.
Reliability aside I'd be adding the Tuono to that list - you'd then get a Superbike motor and handling in a more upright package.
I do agree...I have reservations about the V Twin...so the Test Ride could just seal its fate.
I went along and had a look at the Tuono too...and to be honest the opening figures discussed were healthy...but I couldn't get excited...I appreciate the V4 engine would be a great motor...but stood at the dealers looking at their Demo it just looked so dated.🤷♂️
My local Aprilia dealer is having the annual Tuono fire sale with thousands off them.
Quote from: David W on October 31, 2020, 04:52:26 PMMy local Aprilia dealer is having the annual Tuono fire sale with thousands off them.
Yeah the discount was massive...and the offer for my bike far exceeded what I expected...and that in itself had me nervous.
Quote from: David W on October 31, 2020, 04:52:26 PMMy local Aprilia dealer is having the annual Tuono fire sale with thousands off them.
The problem is also the fact most Aprilia dealers are miles from prospective owners and some of them don't have the best reputations. I still love them.
Ducati...BMW...and Triumph are all on my doorstep...the rest are through in the East.
Quote from: MOzZereLLa on October 31, 2020, 05:11:35 PMQuote from: David W on October 31, 2020, 04:52:26 PMMy local Aprilia dealer is having the annual Tuono fire sale with thousands off them.
The problem is also the fact most Aprilia dealers are miles from prospective owners and some of them don't have the best reputations. I still love them.
Dealer I bought my MT from has expanded and is Suzuki, Aprilia, Yamaha, Moto Guzzi and Indian now. Quite fancy an Indian Bobber or FTR now!
Quote from: David W on October 31, 2020, 09:06:06 PMQuote from: MOzZereLLa on October 31, 2020, 05:11:35 PMQuote from: David W on October 31, 2020, 04:52:26 PMMy local Aprilia dealer is having the annual Tuono fire sale with thousands off them.
The problem is also the fact most Aprilia dealers are miles from prospective owners and some of them don't have the best reputations. I still love them.
Dealer I bought my MT from has expanded and is Suzuki, Aprilia, Yamaha, Moto Guzzi and Indian now. Quite fancy an Indian Bobber or FTR now!
The Indians are quality looking bikes.
But like Tesla - do they look good but up close they are pig iron?
You have a preference for il4 so I reckon you'll rule out the KTM pretty quickly which might be a shame, engine is really rather good and if you only have it a year then it would have lasted longer than some keepers ;-)
Quote from: Manic636 on November 01, 2020, 04:21:06 AMYou have a preference for il4 so I reckon you'll rule out the KTM pretty quickly which might be a shame, engine is really rather good and if you only have it a year then it would have lasted longer than some keepers ;-)
Im looking forward to the ride on the KTM.
Current keeper is 2 years and 2 months in ownership...a loooooong....looooong..time. 😊😉
Quote from: MOzZereLLa on October 31, 2020, 09:40:59 PMBut like Tesla - do they look good but up close they are pig iron?
The ones I've looked at (briefly) seem better built than most bikes these days. The Victory bikes that preceded them were really nicely made.
Having had a good look at potential 2021 Keepers I have came to the decision to remain with my S1000R for 2021...I still enjoy it very much...and the other thing is the uncertainty of next year due the Pandemic...not sure what use we will get on the bikes...I fear my Euro adventures will be on hold again.
I have directed the funds elsewhere...so here's to 2021 on the magnificent BMW S1000R. 😊😊😊😊
Quote from: Alzo on November 04, 2020, 07:29:57 PMHaving had a good look at potential 2021 Keepers I have came to the decision to remain with my S1000R for 2021...I still enjoy it very much...and the other thing is the uncertainty of next year due the Pandemic...not sure what use we will get on the bikes...I fear my Euro adventures will be on hold again.
I have directed the funds elsewhere...so here's to 2021 on the magnificent BMW S1000R. 😊😊😊😊
I love the way that you actually believe yourself........ such conviction........
Look forward to seeing what you end up buying.
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on November 05, 2020, 02:36:36 PMQuote from: Alzo on November 04, 2020, 07:29:57 PMHaving had a good look at potential 2021 Keepers I have came to the decision to remain with my S1000R for 2021...I still enjoy it very much...and the other thing is the uncertainty of next year due the Pandemic...not sure what use we will get on the bikes...I fear my Euro adventures will be on hold again.
I have directed the funds elsewhere...so here's to 2021 on the magnificent BMW S1000R. 😊😊😊😊
I love the way that you actually believe yourself........ such conviction........
Look forward to seeing what you end up buying.
😂
Multistrada V4 looks nice.
Quote from: MOzZereLLa on November 05, 2020, 06:51:21 PMMultistrada V4 looks nice.
I'll stick to the Naked Sector...but yes the new V4 Multistrada looks good...gills a little tough to look at tho.
I purchased a 2020 KTM Superduke R 1290 with Tech Pack and heated grips...took possession of the bike on Friday.
It feels very special...and I am very happy...roll on 2021.
Quote from: Alzo on December 13, 2020, 11:22:20 AMI purchased a 2020 KTM Superduke R 1290 with Tech Pack and heated grips...took possession of the bike on Friday.
It feels very special...and I am very happy...roll on 2021.
Good looking bike. May you have many happy and safe miles. Till the next keeper. 😉😂
Quote from: GRUMPY on December 13, 2020, 06:03:58 PMQuote from: Alzo on December 13, 2020, 11:22:20 AMI purchased a 2020 KTM Superduke R 1290 with Tech Pack and heated grips...took possession of the bike on Friday.
It feels very special...and I am very happy...roll on 2021.
Good looking bike. May you have many happy and safe miles. Till the next keeper. 😉😂
Thank you...no more...you have witnessed the final purchase.
Quote from: Alzo on December 13, 2020, 06:33:05 PMQuote from: GRUMPY on December 13, 2020, 06:03:58 PMQuote from: Alzo on December 13, 2020, 11:22:20 AMI purchased a 2020 KTM Superduke R 1290 with Tech Pack and heated grips...took possession of the bike on Friday.
It feels very special...and I am very happy...roll on 2021.
Good looking bike. May you have many happy and safe miles. Till the next keeper. 😉😂
Thank you...no more...you have witnessed the final purchase.
OMFS 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: Alzo on December 13, 2020, 11:22:20 AMI purchased a 2020 KTM Superduke R 1290 with Tech Pack and heated grips...took possession of the bike on Friday.
It feels very special...and I am very happy...roll on 2021.
The future is bright, enjoy :afro: :moto:
Quote from: DaveH on December 13, 2020, 10:30:51 PMQuote from: Alzo on December 13, 2020, 11:22:20 AMI purchased a 2020 KTM Superduke R 1290 with Tech Pack and heated grips...took possession of the bike on Friday.
It feels very special...and I am very happy...roll on 2021.
The future is bright, enjoy :afro: :moto:
Thank you...it's going to be fun for sure. 😊😊😊
Amazing.
Get ready for BMW levels of reliability 😂
I'm jealous.
Oh and photos??
Quote from: MOzZereLLa on December 14, 2020, 08:14:49 AMOh and photos??
I don't know how to host them on here anymore🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Plenty on Facebook tho...had thought you'd appear and slaughter my choice on there. 😊😉
Edit: Refreshed my brain...see below.
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that would be lovely with a fairing
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Awkwardly, I haven't seen any of your Facebook posts. I'm pretty certain I didn't block you and we are still friends so no idea how I haven't seen it.
Quote from: MOzZereLLa on December 17, 2020, 08:31:12 PMAwkwardly, I haven't seen any of your Facebook posts. I'm pretty certain I didn't block you and we are still friends so no idea how I haven't seen it.
Yeah you're still there...🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️...loving my choice...3 little rides so far...and the engine is hugely refined...I cannot comment on the previous models...but for a huge twin this one can do slow stuff...and obviously the quick stuff...the suspension feels immense...handling feels immense...my perception thus far is that I have bought a premium item...I look forward to opening the garage door.
Quote from: Alzo on December 18, 2020, 03:53:13 PMQuote from: MOzZereLLa on December 17, 2020, 08:31:12 PMAwkwardly, I haven't seen any of your Facebook posts. I'm pretty certain I didn't block you and we are still friends so no idea how I haven't seen it.
Yeah you're still there...🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️...loving my choice...3 little rides so far...and the engine is hugely refined...I cannot comment on the previous models...but for a huge twin this one can do slow stuff...and obviously the quick stuff...the suspension feels immense...handling feels immense...my perception thus far is that I have bought a premium item...I look forward to opening the garage door.
Took you a few years to realise it's one of the finest bikes on the road then!
I'm jealous - really couldn't justify buying a 2020 model. It's vastly superior to the previous versions.
Quote from: MOzZereLLa on December 19, 2020, 02:06:53 PMQuote from: Alzo on December 18, 2020, 03:53:13 PMQuote from: MOzZereLLa on December 17, 2020, 08:31:12 PMAwkwardly, I haven't seen any of your Facebook posts. I'm pretty certain I didn't block you and we are still friends so no idea how I haven't seen it.
Yeah you're still there...🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️...loving my choice...3 little rides so far...and the engine is hugely refined...I cannot comment on the previous models...but for a huge twin this one can do slow stuff...and obviously the quick stuff...the suspension feels immense...handling feels immense...my perception thus far is that I have bought a premium item...I look forward to opening the garage door.
Took you a few years to realise it's one of the finest bikes on the road then!
I'm jealous - really couldn't justify buying a 2020 model. It's vastly superior to the previous versions.
Cheers. 😉
Enjoy. The 1290 engine is a peach