Right...i met some of you good people at ninjafest this year. A couple were in my group and most in inters/fast. When do you know its time to move up a group? I think i was one of the quicker riders in slow group at Donny.....does that mean i need to move to inters? Is there such a thing as a slow inter? My main aim is to be quicker....despite being a knee down virgin still....even after doing Mallory twice!!!!!!
Im at Brands tomoz and opted for inters as i need someone to pull/push me along so i can progress. Should i nail the knee down porn first or concentrate on being fast?
Any opinions/advice/abuse?
Peace x
Concentrate on being smooth and getting lines right before worrying about KD.
Riding with quicker riders will in turn drag you up if you can hang on to someone's coat tails...
Thats the plan mate. If someone can show me how fast the corners can be done at i think it would help loads.
Do remember though, that when following/chasing someone quicker, to still ride for yourself...just cause someone when through x corner at y speed doesn't mean you will.
When I have moved through the groups and gone into a faster group I always have a couple of sessions riding at a pace where I feel comfortable (my 'normal' pace) before trying to go quicker, and then it's small steps, braking later etc, but not everthing at once straight off.
oh...and fishing for knee down will have you going dog slow, best bet is to forget about it. It will suddenly appear when it's more of a natural postioning/speed/lean angle combination.
Quote from: Neil on September 01, 2013, 05:30:44 PM
oh...and fishing for knee down will have you going dog slow, best bet is to forget about it. It will suddenly appear when it's more of a natural postioning/speed/lean angle combination.
+1
I was following Choo at Oulton one day and completely forgot about trying to knee down as he was riding faster than me, in the end by trying to keep up with him, and within my own limits, I ended up getting both knees down that day consistently.....(not at the same time ;) )
When you can get round the track quicker than most of the others in your group without cutting them up and annoying them, that's the time to move up...
I moved to inters this year having done 3 days in novice at different circuits.
Was always at front in novice and was getting held up lapping people. Quite frankly it was ruining my days and I was making no progress. In inters I am middle of the pack and I am learning and progressing.
Stu
Unless people know you and how you ride then they can't really help you - only you really know if you are ready to move.
There can be a big difference between the riding in Novice and what goes on in Inters. The quicker you are the easier it will be as you will be overtaken less.
How happy will you be with closer passes?
How confident do you overtake?
How good are your lines?
I've ridden in the fast group for 70 or so track days and went out in Inters the other day for a few laps as I was having bike issues and wanted to check if what I'd tried had worked before my next session - I was shocked by the general standard of riding.
Stop worrying about knee down. That's not an indicator of speed just body position. One of the regular guys at the trackdays I do is always commenting that I can do it..... However he regularly flys past me on the track....
As for moving up a group. If you're at the front of your group and feel confident go for it. You can always move back if you feel swamped. Chances are you won't. Take it easy to start and enjoy.
Move up, if you don't enjoy it, move back.
If you're still bastard fast and double awesome like I was..... Go racing.
Well....i moved into inters........Paddock hill bend......
(http://i42.tinypic.com/30jo4xy.jpg)
I will be back in novice at the next TD :embarrassed:
You ok ?
That sucks :-(
Looking forward to my Novice outing next week!
Quote from: Maddog on September 02, 2013, 06:37:19 PM
Well....i moved into inters........Paddock hill bend......
(http://i42.tinypic.com/30jo4xy.jpg)
I will be back in novice at the next TD :embarrassed:
The full skinny ?
I had a NL instructor go round with me for a session and he said i could take the corner much quicker and turn in much later. The next session i went out, done a warm up lap or 2 then went for it. One of many mistakes i made was not setting braking markers for my change in speed and line. I gave it big beans down the start straight and didnt brake till far far too late.....i went past many people on the brakes...that should have been a big hint!!! I was way too far to the left then it clicked......ive got no room left to brake and i cant turn the bike i due to speed. I gave it a handfull of brake and the back went mad then the front tucked in ( i was told it was on the "bits and bobs" left at the side of the track....dont know what the bits and bobs are though!) The rest is a blur until i stopped bouncing.
All in all a really good learning curve. The right line makes a huge difference. Damage to the bike...fairings, tank (again), Rad, mounting brackets, exhaust and possibly a bent fork!
On the plus side there was a bird there with huge tits and no bra!!!
that sums up true 'bloke' that does...
sorry you had an off, but you did bring a smile to my face with the last line :)
That sucks mate. Glad you are ok. Like you say. Lesson learnded.
Did she allow you a sympathy 'motorboat'?
I did it in my head several times :police:
Bad luck with the crash mate - glad you're OK!
So..... you now know the limit.... work back from that.
Get used to limping ;-)
Any serial Track day Junkies or club racers who have not crashed? If you're going to get addicted to them, is it inevitable that you will hit the Tarmac at some point?
Quote from: Boon on September 03, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
Any serial Track day Junkies or club racers who have not crashed? If you're going to get addicted to them, is it inevitable that you will hit the Tarmac at some point?
the paradox being that the faster you get, the safer you get.
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on September 03, 2013, 12:34:22 PM
Quote from: Boon on September 03, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
Any serial Track day Junkies or club racers who have not crashed? If you're going to get addicted to them, is it inevitable that you will hit the Tarmac at some point?
the paradox being that the faster you get, the safer you get.
Only those that learn as they progress get safer.
Those that don't get faster but hurt themselves more.
as long as you learn why you fell off it's fine ;-)
the crashes that annoy me are the ones where i didn't have a scooby what happened!
Quote from: mc101 on September 03, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on September 03, 2013, 12:34:22 PM
Quote from: Boon on September 03, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
Any serial Track day Junkies or club racers who have not crashed? If you're going to get addicted to them, is it inevitable that you will hit the Tarmac at some point?
the paradox being that the faster you get, the safer you get.
Only those that learn as they progress get safer.
Those that don't get faster but hurt themselves more.
Goes back to what I always tell people.... don't think about getting faster, think about what the bike's doing under you.... if you understand what grip feels like, you won't needlessly crash.