Filtering etiquette

[Dav1d01]

I do the same, filter to the front and drop into traffic if it starts moving.

[Green_Ninja]

I do the same, filter to the front and drop into traffic if it starts moving.

me too 

[Bournetoride]

People that filter with High Beam on need a good fucking slap though.

That's me, when the sun is low in the morning, to give those I'm about to pass, every opportunity to see me.
Most of my regular customers( those 100 or so I pass every morning at around the same time) will move aside to give me space to pass their <40mph queue on A road single carriageway, once on dual carriageway people are more reluctant to move over.
I always filter to the front at any lights, bikes take no space and slow down no other user by doing so, we are doing them a favour by riding bike to work instead of a car

[David W]

So blinding sun or your blinding high beam?

I suppose it's never entered your mind you might actually be causing a problem for others while you go about your self-righteous little way?

[Bournetoride]

High beam from behind is never going to blind during daylight hours, my safety is paramount but im not out to harm others, just let them know I'm here. They still take ages to see me and that is dangerous

[MIKE - ZX10r]

Got to agree. High beam in daylight is never going to blind anyone, but it should grab their attention

[David W]

So you don't think that your double 55W high beams, shining into a wing mirror from 20 ft away, that is 2ft away from someone else's eyes is going to dazzle them?  Seriously?

You do know that it is physiologically impossible to judge distance at all when you've got a light shining in your eyes don't you?

Where's that forehead slap picture.....

[DaveH]

Must admit that I have considered using full beam when filtering as it is very effective at getting your attention and surely that is the point so that the person does not to change lane, as opposed to allowing people to judge how much time they have to jump lane, no?

[T.C]

Must admit that I have considered using full beam when filtering as it is very effective at getting your attention and surely that is the point so that the person does not to change lane, as opposed to allowing people to judge how much time they have to jump lane, no?

I go back to my earlier post. 

So on that basis you will be the first to moan when someone hits you, not because they could not see you, but becaue you burnt out their retinas in the rear view mirror, creates what is called the halo affect meaning that drivers are unable to judge your speed and distance because you are hidden behind the halo, which also leaves you liable for a big degree of contributory negligence in the event of a crash because you become part of the cause, and................  You leave yourself open to a fine, points and/or disqialification for driving without reasonable consideration for other road users (a sub section of careless driving).

I love it when people tell me after a crash in a self rightous way that they were on high beam and then to see the look on their face when I tell them that may might lose a big chunk of compensation because of their actions and they are leaving themselves open to prosecution.

If you are going to ride on high beam even in daylight, then don't whinge when you end up being pulled by plod and booked, or complain when you get hit and blame the other driver for not seeing you.  I have no sympathy for you.

[Green_Ninja]

Must admit that I have considered using full beam when filtering as it is very effective at getting your attention and surely that is the point so that the person does not to change lane, as opposed to allowing people to judge how much time they have to jump lane, no?

I go back to my earlier post. 

So on that basis you will be the first to moan when someone hits you, not because they could not see you, but becaue you burnt out their retinas in the rear view mirror, creates what is called the halo affect meaning that drivers are unable to judge your speed and distance because you are hidden behind the halo, which also leaves you liable for a big degree of contributory negligence in the event of a crash because you become part of the cause, and................  You leave yourself open to a fine, points and/or disqialification for driving without reasonable consideration for other road users (a sub section of careless driving).

I love it when people tell me after a crash in a self rightous way that they were on high beam and then to see the look on their face when I tell them that may might lose a big chunk of compensation because of their actions and they are leaving themselves open to prosecution.

If you are going to ride on high beam even in daylight, then don't whinge when you end up being pulled by plod and booked, or complain when you get hit and blame the other driver for not seeing you.  I have no sympathy for you.

What T.C. said, riding on High beam when filtering, or any other situation where it is NOT needed or legal to do so is just downright selfish and stupid.

[DaveH]

Must admit that I have considered using full beam when filtering as it is very effective at getting your attention and surely that is the point so that the person does not to change lane, as opposed to allowing people to judge how much time they have to jump lane, no?

I go back to my earlier post. 

So on that basis you will be the first to moan when someone hits you, not because they could not see you, but becaue you burnt out their retinas in the rear view mirror, creates what is called the halo affect meaning that drivers are unable to judge your speed and distance because you are hidden behind the halo, which also leaves you liable for a big degree of contributory negligence in the event of a crash because you become part of the cause, and................  You leave yourself open to a fine, points and/or disqialification for driving without reasonable consideration for other road users (a sub section of careless driving).

I love it when people tell me after a crash in a self rightous way that they were on high beam and then to see the look on their face when I tell them that may might lose a big chunk of compensation because of their actions and they are leaving themselves open to prosecution.

If you are going to ride on high beam even in daylight, then don't whinge when you end up being pulled by plod and booked, or complain when you get hit and blame the other driver for not seeing you.  I have no sympathy for you.

Fair enough

Knew that full beam did make it harder to judge distances, wasn't referring to filtering with on coming traffic. Had been in the car before when a bike was filtering with highbeam and wasn't dazzled by it as it a momentary thing as they were by in a matter of seconds, but was easily noticed and far more cars reacted to the bike being there and making more room, which is why I didn't see it as a bad thing per se (Centre of two lanes of very slow traffic on dual carriage way)

[Gilby104]

Must admit that I have considered using full beam when filtering as it is very effective at getting your attention and surely that is the point so that the person does not to change lane, as opposed to allowing people to judge how much time they have to jump lane, no?

I go back to my earlier post. 

So on that basis you will be the first to moan when someone hits you, not because they could not see you, but becaue you burnt out their retinas in the rear view mirror, creates what is called the halo affect meaning that drivers are unable to judge your speed and distance because you are hidden behind the halo, which also leaves you liable for a big degree of contributory negligence in the event of a crash because you become part of the cause, and................  You leave yourself open to a fine, points and/or disqialification for driving without reasonable consideration for other road users (a sub section of careless driving).

I love it when people tell me after a crash in a self rightous way that they were on high beam and then to see the look on their face when I tell them that may might lose a big chunk of compensation because of their actions and they are leaving themselves open to prosecution.

If you are going to ride on high beam even in daylight, then don't whinge when you end up being pulled by plod and booked, or complain when you get hit and blame the other driver for not seeing you.  I have no sympathy for you.

woah woah woah, what's with the witch hunt? I've admitted to filtering on full beam in specific circumstances, but not to be a cunt, in an attempt to stay safer. Happy to be educated but don't understand the hatred, or why you'd revel in telling people they'd fucked themselves by riding on full beam.

As it happens i will likely be following your advice in the future (I have no doubt you know exactly what you're talking about and I know your knowledge of court cases is outstanding) but I can't believe there are no safety benefits at all to high beam filtering through stopped / v.slow moving traffic on trunk roads. I have personally missed bike headlights in a sea of headlights when changing lanes in that situation where as full beam jumps out and even if dazzled for a second you know it's a bike and you know not to move.... which are the two things I was aiming to achieve from filtering with h. beam on?   

(I'm not saying that they would stop more accidents than they'd cause but I do think there are circumstances when they'd have stopped accidents that would have occurred with dipped beam) 

[Bournetoride]

Must admit that I have considered using full beam when filtering as it is very effective at getting your attention and surely that is the point so that the person does not to change lane, as opposed to allowing people to judge how much time they have to jump lane, no?

I go back to my earlier post. 

So on that basis you will be the first to moan when someone hits you, not because they could not see you, but becaue you burnt out their retinas in the rear view mirror, creates what is called the halo affect meaning that drivers are unable to judge your speed and distance because you are hidden behind the halo, which also leaves you liable for a big degree of contributory negligence in the event of a crash because you become part of the cause, and................  You leave yourself open to a fine, points and/or disqialification for driving without reasonable consideration for other road users (a sub section of careless driving).

I love it when people tell me after a crash in a self rightous way that they were on high beam and then to see the look on their face when I tell them that may might lose a big chunk of compensation because of their actions and they are leaving themselves open to prosecution.

If you are going to ride on high beam even in daylight, then don't whinge when you end up being pulled by plod and booked, or complain when you get hit and blame the other driver for not seeing you.  I have no sympathy for you.

What T.C. said, riding on High beam when filtering, or any other situation where it is NOT needed or legal to do so is just downright selfish and stupid.

Sorry guys, not trying to wind people up, but I have a broken hip that says dip beam is not enough in some circumstances
and when others have a low sun in their eyes my paltry halogens are not going to dazzle them or cause any effect detrimental to my safety
what does the law say about US style glimmering lights where the intensity is raised/lowered without flickering, as an aid to visiblity by others

[T.C]

woah woah woah, what's with the witch hunt? I've admitted to filtering on full beam in specific circumstances, but not to be a cunt, in an attempt to stay safer. Happy to be educated but don't understand the hatred, or why you'd revel in telling people they'd fucked themselves by riding on full beam.

As it happens i will likely be following your advice in the future (I have no doubt you know exactly what you're talking about and I know your knowledge of court cases is outstanding) but I can't believe there are no safety benefits at all to high beam filtering through stopped / v.slow moving traffic on trunk roads. I have personally missed bike headlights in a sea of headlights when changing lanes in that situation where as full beam jumps out and even if dazzled for a second you know it's a bike and you know not to move.... which are the two things I was aiming to achieve from filtering with h. beam on?   

(I'm not saying that they would stop more accidents than they'd cause but I do think there are circumstances when they'd have stopped accidents that would have occurred with dipped beam)

I am not on a witch hunt, I was simply making a comment in response to your statement of fact.  My court experience has nothing to do with my comments,  my comments were made on exprience of motorcycle cases I have been involved in as a result of crashes that have occured as a result of displaying high beam.

There is no hatred on my part either, I was simply pointing out fact and that you are not only p1ssing of a lot of people (me included), but the predicament you could find yourself in when it all goes pear shaped. 

I have no authority to stop you using high beam, I have no desire or interest in telling you how to ride or what to do, but, there are those out there who will be the first to whinge and comlplain when they find themselves out of pocket and facing massive losses when something goes wrong which could have been avoided.

And show me that there is a proven safety benefit, and I will be happy to accept it,  but I can and will show you an equal number of serious crashes that have occured because of high beam.

Dipped beam?  Fine, but high beam causes (at the risk of repeating myself) the halo affect and this is where the problem lies, and as I can testify to from yesterday, a bike came up behind me filtering on high beam, and apart from the fact that it took a few minutes for my eyes to refocus after seeing the lights in my rear view mirror, there were a couple of other drivers who literally failed to judge speed and distance of the approaching bike and nearly had him off. 

How do I know?  I followed them into the services, and they were not old or youngsters, and so I asked them, and the reply I got was that they saw the bike and they thought it was further back and travelling slower than it actually was, but because theie eyes lost focus due to the beam bounding off their rear view mirror,  it was only when the bike was on top of them that they realised just how close the bike was and that they managed to get out of the way just in time.

So not a witch hunt, quite the contrary.  But please feel free to continue as you deem fit!!!

[tucola]

Thanks T.C., very helpful info as ever...

I had not been accustomed to using main beam to filter during the day, but certainly won't do so now.

Dipped beam is always on, of course, given the age of the bike.