2021 Keeper

Alzo · October 30, 2020, 03:19:09 PM

The contenders are:
1.Kawasaki ZH2 Supercharger

2. KTM 1290 Superduke R 3.0

3. 2021 BMW S1000R (to be revealed)

Outside runner could be the updated Speed Triple 1200 (to be revealed).

As it stand the draw is strongest towards the KTM at the moment.

Feel free to offer the usual measured balanced opinions.
Thank you in advance.

David W · October 30, 2020, 03:39:24 PM

BMW S1000RR has reliability some horror stories flying around it so I'm not sure I'd be keen on a new model based on it.
Kawasaki's are shit these days so that leaves KTM or Triumph.
I'd probably lean towards the Triumph unless they screw it right up!

komp · October 30, 2020, 03:48:05 PM

No brainer, KTM

couldn't possibly recommend triumph after the shit i have had with mine
although you never know they may product a bike without any issues next year...

how about the ducati streetfighter v4.
i still keep thinking that i should have got one
and shouldn't have let silly things like not having enough money get in my way

Alzo · October 30, 2020, 03:51:10 PM

Quote from: David W on October 30, 2020, 03:39:24 PMBMW S1000RR has reliability some horror stories flying around it so I'm not sure I'd be keen on a new model based on it.
Kawasaki's are shit these days so that leaves KTM or Triumph.
I'd probably lean towards the Triumph unless they screw it right up!

Yeah feel I've did enough of BMW...current bike shuts down when I fuel up...to get a Software update...new fuel pump and pipes.

ZH2 was impressive...but...🤔

I'm awaiting a call for a test ride on the KTM...every review is hugely positive.

Look forward to the Speed release...the Trident released today looks great...only 80bhp...so no use to a God like me...😊😉...but a quality looking bike

Alzo · October 30, 2020, 03:52:17 PM

Quote from: komp on October 30, 2020, 03:48:05 PMNo brainer, KTM

couldn't possibly recommend triumph after the shit i have had with mine
although you never know they may product a bike without any issues next year...

how about the ducati streetfighter v4.
i still keep thinking that i should have got one
and shouldn't have let silly things like not having enough money get in my way

Ducati isn't on my radar...I just have no draw to it at all...🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
KTM is doing it for me.

7550 · October 30, 2020, 04:09:29 PM

Get the ZH2 or the KTM.
Kawasaki build quality is fine.
KTM looks a whole lot of fun, but not keen on the headlight and plasticky bits.
ZH2 you've ridden and liked. Not a looker but tail tidy, different can and get rid of the mirrors and you will have 1 serious weapon.
BMW will be a serious piece of kit too, but you will be back at the dealers regularly.
Triumph build quality is questionable too.

Alzo · October 30, 2020, 04:20:28 PM

Quote from: GRUMPY on October 30, 2020, 04:09:29 PMGet the ZH2 or the KTM.
Kawasaki build quality is fine.
KTM looks a whole lot of fun, but not keen on the headlight and plasticky bits.
ZH2 you've ridden and liked. Not a looker but tail tidy, different can and get rid of the mirrors and you will have 1 serious weapon.
BMW will be a serious piece of kit too, but you will be back at the dealers regularly.
Triumph build quality is questionable too.

I haven't ruled the ZH2 out at all...but I watched Dave Moss tuning on You Tube...and his comment was he reckoned the standard rear shock on the ZH2 would be useless after 2000 miles...🤷‍♂️...he seems well respected in the Suspension world...so to hear him say that was off putting...I know it can be upgraded...but at just shy of £16k I really hadn't planned to do that for a new bike.

David W · October 30, 2020, 05:40:05 PM

Manufacturers are fitting some fucking cheap and nasty suspension on bikes these days. I got told by someone in the industry that the manufacturers purchase budget for a sportsbike shock was about £50!

7550 · October 30, 2020, 10:34:04 PM

Quote from: Alzo on October 30, 2020, 04:20:28 PM
Quote from: GRUMPY on October 30, 2020, 04:09:29 PMGet the ZH2 or the KTM.
Kawasaki build quality is fine.
KTM looks a whole lot of fun, but not keen on the headlight and plasticky bits.
ZH2 you've ridden and liked. Not a looker but tail tidy, different can and get rid of the mirrors and you will have 1 serious weapon.
BMW will be a serious piece of kit too, but you will be back at the dealers regularly.
Triumph build quality is questionable too.
I haven't ruled the ZH2 out at all...but I watched Dave Moss tuning on You Tube...and his comment was he reckoned the standard rear shock on the ZH2 would be useless after 2000 miles...🤷‍♂️...he seems well respected in the Suspension world...so to hear him say that was off putting...I know it can be upgraded...but at just shy of £16k I really hadn't planned to do that for a new bike.

I can't believe a new shock would be toast after 2000 miles. And if it was it would surely be covered by warranty. That Dave Moss may know his stuff but he never, couldn't, set the rear sag on the ZH2. 🙄

Alzo · October 31, 2020, 04:39:07 AM

Quote from: GRUMPY on October 30, 2020, 10:34:04 PM
Quote from: Alzo on October 30, 2020, 04:20:28 PM
Quote from: GRUMPY on October 30, 2020, 04:09:29 PMGet the ZH2 or the KTM.
Kawasaki build quality is fine.
KTM looks a whole lot of fun, but not keen on the headlight and plasticky bits.
ZH2 you've ridden and liked. Not a looker but tail tidy, different can and get rid of the mirrors and you will have 1 serious weapon.
BMW will be a serious piece of kit too, but you will be back at the dealers regularly.
Triumph build quality is questionable too.
I haven't ruled the ZH2 out at all...but I watched Dave Moss tuning on You Tube...and his comment was he reckoned the standard rear shock on the ZH2 would be useless after 2000 miles...🤷‍♂️...he seems well respected in the Suspension world...so to hear him say that was off putting...I know it can be upgraded...but at just shy of £16k I really hadn't planned to do that for a new bike.

I can't believe a new shock would be toast after 2000 miles. And if it was it would surely be covered by warranty. That Dave Moss may know his stuff but he never, couldn't, set the rear sag on the ZH2. 🙄

Aye...didn't have the right tools...😊

MOzZereLLa · October 31, 2020, 09:59:40 AM

I would have had you down for the Kwak.

You aren't a good enough rider for the KTM 😉

Alzo · October 31, 2020, 11:14:47 AM

Quote from: MOzZereLLa on October 31, 2020, 09:59:40 AMI would have had you down for the Kwak.

You aren't a good enough rider for the KTM 😉

Thank you. 😙
The generation before was too much for you from memory...but then again I do more mileage walking than you do riding. 😊😉

terry950sm · October 31, 2020, 03:16:33 PM

KTM 1290R is mental. My GT 1290 engine is a peach. One of the reasons l might keep it.

Alzo · October 31, 2020, 03:45:06 PM

Quote from: terry950sm on October 31, 2020, 03:16:33 PMKTM 1290R is mental. My GT 1290 engine is a peach. One of the reasons l might keep it.

Yeah it seems to be much improved...looking forward to a Test ride.

MOzZereLLa · October 31, 2020, 04:21:01 PM

Joking aside. I really don't think you'll like the KTM. You were quite vocal about not liking V Twins. The Gen 3 Superduke might be slightly lighter and have much better handling but I don't think there's that much change to the motor.

Reliability aside I'd be adding the Tuono to that list - you'd then get a Superbike motor and handling in a more upright package.