right got a bit of a starting problem I thought it was the starter motor but now I'm not sure I replaced the battery that was in the bike with an identical item , ytx7-bs which is a 7ah battery and it manages to turn it over but it takes a while for it to fire , yet if you put a battery booster on it it fires (despite having to push the button 3 times) ive been told the battery listed for my model is a ytz10s-bs which is an 8.6ah battery do you think that its more than likely its not getting enough power and that's why it struggles to fire (starts no problem when hot)
Have you tried it with the correct battery for the bike?
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on September 11, 2015, 11:40:45 AM
Have you tried it with the correct battery for the bike?
I haven't , I'm not sure the one fitted is wrong as I have seen it listed for my model , but another battery is also listed and is more powerful
Well it looks like the other battery has a stronger current so that could affect the spark. I know on my KTM it's quite sensitive to valve clearances which affects the starting from cold
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on September 11, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
Well it looks like the other battery has a stronger current so that could affect the spark. I know on my KTM it's quite sensitive to valve clearances which affects the starting from cold
I'll have a check of the valve clearances , there is the best part of 2ah difference in the battery's so my moneys on that , just dont want to shell out mo money if its not the problem
I've had to read your first post 3 times to try to make sense of it. The hardest part if trying to guess what your intending to say, but grammatically failing.
Anyway....
Just what is the issue you're having ??
Turns over (if fully charged) eventually starts, starts first time with booster etc
YUASA YTX7A-BS Specification
Manufacturer: Yuasa
Battery Type Number: Yuasa YTX7A-BS
Battery Type: Sealed 12V AGM maintenance-free battery
Filling Kit Included: Yes
Dimensions: 150mm x 87mm x 94mm
Capacity Rating: 6Ah
Cold-Start Performance CCA (EN): 90A
Maximum Charging Rate: 1.0 Amp
Weight (filled): 3.60kg
YUASA YTZ10S Specifications
Manufacturer: YUASA
Battery type number: YTZ10S
Battery type: Sealed maintenance-free battery
Filling kit included: No, pre-filled
Dimensions: 150mm x 87mm x 93mm
Capacity rating: 8.6Ah
Cold-start performance: 190EN
Maximum charging rate: 1.5 Amp
Weight (filled): 3.2kg
The specs speak for themselves. Get the correct battery for the bike.
Sorry, why is it so *URGENT*?
Quote from: Jonesy on September 11, 2015, 06:20:27 PM
Sorry, why is it so *URGENT*?
riding to Brighton sunday so best not to get stranded as satnav will be an additional drain
Quote from: WizzBang on September 11, 2015, 06:11:24 PM
YUASA YTX7A-BS Specification
Manufacturer: Yuasa
Battery Type Number: Yuasa YTX7A-BS
Battery Type: Sealed 12V AGM maintenance-free battery
Filling Kit Included: Yes
Dimensions: 150mm x 87mm x 94mm
Capacity Rating: 6Ah
Cold-Start Performance CCA (EN): 90A
Maximum Charging Rate: 1.0 Amp
Weight (filled): 3.60kg
YUASA YTZ10S Specifications
Manufacturer: YUASA
Battery type number: YTZ10S
Battery type: Sealed maintenance-free battery
Filling kit included: No, pre-filled
Dimensions: 150mm x 87mm x 93mm
Capacity rating: 8.6Ah
Cold-start performance: 190EN
Maximum charging rate: 1.5 Amp
Weight (filled): 3.2kg
The specs speak for themselves. Get the correct battery for the bike.
well looking at the specs it could very well be why its a bastard to start
Just learn to bump start it, you won't get stuck anywhere.
Quote from: WizzBang on September 11, 2015, 06:44:02 PM
Just learn to bump start it, you won't get stuck anywhere.
ive tried to kick it but it has none of it, ive been told there is a nack to it , I normally roll them down hills and just let the clutch go in 1st
ill order the new battery and chance it on sunday, hopefully the tom-tom wont be too much of a load for it
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on September 11, 2015, 06:49:21 PM
Quote from: WizzBang on September 11, 2015, 06:44:02 PM
Just learn to bump start it, you won't get stuck anywhere.
ive tried to kick it but it has none of it, ive been told there is a nack to it , I normally roll them down hills and just let the clutch go in 1st
ill order the new battery and chance it on sunday, hopefully the tom-tom wont be too much of a load for it
You would be much better of bump starting in 2nd rather then 1st, makes it easier and less likely to lock the back wheel.
Quote from: Green_Ninja on September 11, 2015, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on September 11, 2015, 06:49:21 PM
Quote from: WizzBang on September 11, 2015, 06:44:02 PM
Just learn to bump start it, you won't get stuck anywhere.
ive tried to kick it but it has none of it, ive been told there is a nack to it , I normally roll them down hills and just let the clutch go in 1st
ill order the new battery and chance it on sunday, hopefully the tom-tom wont be too much of a load for it
You would be much better of bump starting in 2nd rather then 1st, makes it easier and less likely to lock the back wheel.
I do sometimes I did try that with the ktm when I bought it , and it locked the wheel instantly
Once the bike is running, there is no drain on the battery (unless the reg/rec is knackered), so running the satnav will have no effect on it. Leaving it running whilst the bike is off WILL drain the battery though.
Quote from: WizzBang on September 11, 2015, 07:08:49 PM
Once the bike is running, there is no drain on the battery (unless the reg/rec is knackered), so running the satnav will have no effect on it. Leaving it running whilst the bike is off WILL drain the battery though.
ah cheers I wasn't entirely sure , that's good to know maybe I will get there and back with minimal disruption
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on September 11, 2015, 07:11:30 PM
Quote from: WizzBang on September 11, 2015, 07:08:49 PM
Once the bike is running, there is no drain on the battery (unless the reg/rec is knackered), so running the satnav will have no effect on it. Leaving it running whilst the bike is off WILL drain the battery though.
ah cheers I wasn't entirely sure , that's good to know maybe I will get there and back with minimal disruption
make sure the satnav feed is via an ignition switched feed so that it isn't powered when the bike isn't running - SIMPLES
Quote from: Green_Ninja on September 11, 2015, 09:03:27 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on September 11, 2015, 07:11:30 PM
Quote from: WizzBang on September 11, 2015, 07:08:49 PM
Once the bike is running, there is no drain on the battery (unless the reg/rec is knackered), so running the satnav will have no effect on it. Leaving it running whilst the bike is off WILL drain the battery though.
ah cheers I wasn't entirely sure , that's good to know maybe I will get there and back with minimal disruption
make sure the satnav feed is via an ignition switched feed so that it isn't powered when the bike isn't running - SIMPLES
I have no idea how to do that , I just do it direct to battery , and dont leave it on the bike when not running
went to fire it up this morning to ride to work but was unsuccessful ,the battery was fully charged last night and I drained it flat , it didn't even turn over , as previously mentioned the battery fitted is not the recommended one (slightly less power) but I have a question before I splurge out on a fancy new battery , could it not be the spark plug?
I've had batteries turn over an engine reasonably well....but...they didn't have enough power to do that AND supply the ignition system...you could charge them until you're 90 and it won't make a difference.
Quote from: Alzo on October 02, 2015, 06:32:19 AM
I've had batteries turn over an engine reasonably well....but...they didn't have enough power to do that AND supply the ignition system...you could charge them until you're 90 and it won't make a difference.
its 1.5ah less than recommended , the dash does flicker when I attempt to start it , I was wondering if it could possibly be the spark plug instead , or possibly aswell
Just buy the right battery.
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on October 02, 2015, 07:58:25 AM
Just buy the right battery.
I'm intending to but but I wanted to know if its likely it could be the spark plug
It's likely the battery doesn't have enough power.
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ordering battery now
only thing baffleing me is I'm finding the
ytz10s with difference specs
batt one is an ebay brand
9ah
190cca
batt two is a varta
8ah
150cca
batt three is a Numax?
8.6ah
unknown cca ive enquired
all similar prices ones acid ones Gell ones AGM
confused!!!! I thought a battery would well be a battery but there seems to be variants
Your handbook or Dealer should be specific.
Ive asked ktm maid dealer and they just say the battery model, but in this case more is better , correct?
from what I can gather the "oem" spec is
8ah
150cca
ive ordered
numax parent company is Johnson Controls (owns varta) and varius others
8.6ah
190cca
£32.45 delivered
its an agm
well it starts the bike not surprising with nearly 3 times the starting power , also managed to start a 2.0 car which I found surprising (FROM COLD!!)
I now have no doubts its getting more power it , it sounded like it had more if that makes sense
however the starter problem persists I push the button and the starter (or the sound that you here before it starts) goes for about half a second and stops(even if my hand is on the button) it takes me pushes of the button and then it fires up , what I want to know is whats causing this? I was hoping it was just lack of power but alas not...
Could be dirty contacts in the starter button itself or the starter relay.
Quote from: Green_Ninja on October 06, 2015, 08:55:58 AM
Could be dirty contacts in the starter button itself or the starter relay.
ill take the starter button apart and have a look see , it looks extremely clean from the outside if I'm honest ,
do you think a video of exactly what it does would very diagnosis?
or dirty contacts in the clutch switch if it has one?
Quote from: Bullet on October 06, 2015, 08:02:21 PM
or dirty contacts in the clutch switch if it has one?
I dont have to pull the clutch in to start it if that's what you mean?
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on October 06, 2015, 08:59:00 AM
Quote from: Green_Ninja on October 06, 2015, 08:55:58 AM
Could be dirty contacts in the starter button itself or the starter relay.
ill take the starter button apart and have a look see , it looks extremely clean from the outside if I'm honest ,
do you think a video of exactly what it does would very diagnosis?
For the love of God, please no!
Could be a whole list of things
Side stand switch, clutch switch, starter clutch, solenoid (if it has one), dodgy Earth, dodgy live, dodgy starter, bad contacts... The list goes on...
Quote from: Jonesy on October 06, 2015, 10:09:42 PM
Could be a whole list of things
Side stand switch, clutch switch, starter clutch, solenoid (if it has one), dodgy Earth, dodgy live, dodgy starter, bad contacts... The list goes on...
Take it all apart ☺
ill probably end up taking the lot apart as its always the last thing you think of