bought a throw away lid for the other half (4 star rated so still safe)
and im absolutely blown away with the quality for the price , finish is perfect , has a nice weight to it , visor movement is very nice all is good quality , the inside feels quite premium also
and its all for under £30 delivered for a helmet that not only score higher for safety than alot of £400-£500 helmets it also feels nice inside
if anyone is after a "cheap" lid or wanting a spare i would 100% recommend the Agrius rage
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Agrius-Rage-SV-Warp-Motorcycle-Helmet-Full-Face-Scooter-Motorbike-Crash-Bike-Lid/191953238341?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=491092600948&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Nope. Sorry.
A throwaway lid?
Fuck that.
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on March 31, 2019, 10:29:28 PM
Nope. Sorry.
A throwaway lid?
Fuck that.
By that I meant cheap and cheerful (I did check safety rating and was impressed but expected it to feel cheep )
The perception will always be cheaper is less protective...what the reality is possibly less so...but that said I will stick with a brand I feel offers the best protection available.
To be fair they're probably being punted at at trade.
I'd be interested to know how old they are?
Still horrible and I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it.
As an aside, I tried a Shoei on at the weekend. I've been Arai all my life but Shoei have changed their shape recently (according to the dealer) and the one I tried felt really good.
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on April 01, 2019, 09:49:49 AM
As an aside, I tried a Shoei on at the weekend. I've been Arai all my life but Shoei have changed their shape recently (according to the dealer) and the one I tried felt really good.
Ditto Moz, I have had Arai's for over 10 years and everytime I tried on a Shoei or AGV it felt awful. Last year I was looking at getting a flip front and I tried the Shoei Neotec on and (to me) it's as comfy as any of my Arai's were. I did try an NXR on too and if I was looking for a regular lid I'd have definitely considered it.
NXR and X-Spirit 3 both felt better than my Arai. Lighter too. If only they actually produced a decent colour scheme.
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on March 31, 2019, 08:47:06 PM
bought a throw away lid for the other half (4 star rated so still safe)
and im absolutely blown away with the quality for the price , finish is perfect , has a nice weight to it , visor movement is very nice all is good quality , the inside feels quite premium also
and its all for under £30 delivered for a helmet that not only score higher for safety than alot of £400-£500 helmets it also feels nice inside
if anyone is after a "cheap" lid or wanting a spare i would 100% recommend the Agrius rage
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Agrius-Rage-SV-Warp-Motorcycle-Helmet-Full-Face-Scooter-Motorbike-Crash-Bike-Lid/191953238341?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=491092600948&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Nope Nope Nope don't care what the star rating os I wouldn't entertain one. Partly because I am a bit of a Helmet Snob (Shoei being my lid of choice NXR to be precise) but have previously had 'budget' lids that were more than that but the were shot on that the build quality was awful, they were bloody uncomfortable and ventilation terrible. As they say you only get 1 head how much is it worth - a Damn sight more than £30.
That fact you bought one for your other half, seems to me she doesn't mean that much to you. Do the right thing buy her a decent lid.
Or you wear it and give her yours if its any better.
I think young knucklehead raises a good point and I think it indicates how much we get ripped off for premium brand lids.
Most of us are happy to pay it, but it doesn't mean that the quality of the product is any better, and from a consumer point of view, if the safety rating is high, then what's the issue other than snobbery?.........
The point he's making is that it is as safe as more expensive lids according to the rating, but what he's saying is that it also appears to be of a decent quality........
Makes me sick up a bit in my mouth to say this, but I think the lad's got a point and we should get off our high horses and listen to what he has to say........ maybe he could show us some pic's or a vid in order to back up what he's saying.
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He's a proper cheap cunt mind.
Quote from: Dom1 on April 01, 2019, 05:57:48 PM
Or you wear it and give her yours if its any better.
its pink.....
but on a serious note my daily driver helmet (agv) scored lower in the sharp test and was over ten times more in cost
i have always been the you get what you pay for kinda guy especially with bike gear , but it shows that its not all crap
how much cost do they really cost to manufacture? because im seriously wondering just how much we pay for a brand name
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on April 01, 2019, 10:30:10 AM
NXR and X-Spirit 3 both felt better than my Arai. Lighter too. If only they actually produced a decent colour scheme.
I swapped from an RX7 to an X-SpiritIII, and I've had Arai since 1993! Dunno what was up with my last version RX7 but it was awful to wear and gave me headaches because of the pressure across my forehead.
Still no despite Dan's efforts.
I've had Arai, AGV, HJC and a few cheaper enduro type kids.
There is a huge difference in quality, feel and fit between Arai/Shoei/AGV (to a certain extent) and the others and for that reason - I'd never buy a cheaper lid.
I'm not a snob - if my head has to spend a day in a lid and be protected it won't be in a cheap lid I haven't heard of.
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on April 01, 2019, 07:02:30 PM
Still no despite Dan's efforts.
I've had Arai, AGV, HJC and a few cheaper enduro type kids.
There is a huge difference in quality, feel and fit between Arai/Shoei/AGV (to a certain extent) and the others and for that reason - I'd never buy a cheaper lid.
I'm not a snob - if my head has to spend a day in a lid and be protected it won't be in a cheap lid I haven't heard of.
Yep totally with Moz, also there have been lots and lots of cheap helmets on ebay purporting to be Sharp tested that aren't. It's not just snobbery but how much is your LIFE worth???
I purchased a £100 Nitro helmet as it fitted great at the time.
At the time.......
Was using it on my 125 comuter every day. Regardless of the weather for 3 year , done about 12,000 miles. So really no shame to it.
Didn't realise how crap the inside was until i took a bigger bike out for a test ride prior to a purchase.
Over 65 mph it lifted and shook from side to side and lifted up.
You buy cheap. You get cheap.
Then spent the price of the 125 i sold on a new Arai lid. Tried on about 10 different lids, found the one that fitted me,.
I would rather cough up a bit more and get a quality lid .
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on April 01, 2019, 06:33:03 PM
i have always been the you get what you pay for kinda guy especially with bike gear , but it shows that its not all crap
Now then sunshine, I'm with you on this, but we appear to be up against significant scepticism.
It is incumbent upon you to see your assertion through...... a video perhaps, or at least some images in order to demonstrate what you're talking about.
Don't let me down.
how we posting photos after the demise of photobucket?
you can actually use facebook...... upload them in a post for 'only me', then when you click on the image, right click and open in new tab, copy the link and insert it here between [img AND [/img
works for me
(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48407287_10155970713160205_3573591284817854464_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=92d2280ccf2cff110622bd9272e46bb5&oe=5D3B571A)
Sounds great , don't have Facebook....
Only one it let me post due to file size
Initiative really is an alien concept to you isn't it?
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on April 02, 2019, 09:12:18 PM
Initiative really is an alien concept to you isn't it?
So is taking effective photos for classified ads....
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on April 02, 2019, 09:12:18 PM
Initiative really is an alien concept to you isn't it?
I tried to make the photos smaller by shooting them in a lower res so would post but that's only one that came under 1mb , what's the site people have been using?
Postimage.org ;)
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Much better than photo bucket
Does it conform to the standards of other manufactures?
quality is defiantly on par (feel , lining etc) with my old suomy spec 1R which wasnt cheap , and id say exceeds my old agv ti tech , both wore top end helmets in there range , my current helmets are a bell m5x carbon and an agv compact , and its easily comparable , if it had agv or arai on it and wasn't pretending to be a £1000 helmet i wouldn't bat an eyelid at it
it exceeds all the required standards , its not ACU recognised however , and gets 4/5 for Sharp
i would say the lower end helmets of all the major brands should be worried if the "cheap helmets" are now this well made , as 4-5 can be had for the price of one
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on April 03, 2019, 07:17:59 PM
quality is defiantly on par (feel , lining etc) with my old suomy spec 1R which wasnt cheap , and id say exceeds my old agv ti tech , both wore top end helmets in there range , my current helmets are a bell m5x carbon and an agv compact , and its easily comparable , if it had agv or arai on it and wasn't pretending to be a £1000 helmet i wouldn't bat an eyelid at it
it exceeds all the required standards , its not ACU recognised however , and gets 4/5 for Sharp
So it wouldn't qualify for Track use without ACU accreditation...I now wonder if that because it would fail to meet their standards...or it was never intended for our market.
could be either i suppose , not sure what standards it would have to meet for acu , and if that would be comparable to sharp
Might just be they haven't aimed them at track riders
Quote from: Alzo on April 03, 2019, 07:31:46 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on April 03, 2019, 07:17:59 PM
quality is defiantly on par (feel , lining etc) with my old suomy spec 1R which wasnt cheap , and id say exceeds my old agv ti tech , both wore top end helmets in there range , my current helmets are a bell m5x carbon and an agv compact , and its easily comparable , if it had agv or arai on it and wasn't pretending to be a £1000 helmet i wouldn't bat an eyelid at it
it exceeds all the required standards , its not ACU recognised however , and gets 4/5 for Sharp
So it wouldn't qualify for Track use without ACU accreditation...I now wonder if that because it would fail to meet their standards...or it was never intended for our market.
Could be that ACU accreditation is what we all use and might be expensive to obtain.
I'm still open minded
Take a punt.... Dare ya :tongue:
It imagine it may very well be , which wouldn't factor into the price , however I've just found out that anyone can send a helmet to ACU(according to web) and if it meets standards they will certify it (put a sticker on it)
Spoke to a mate that's had alot to do with ACU over the years and I asked the question and said it could very well be down to the fastener , when I said it wasn't d ring closure
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on April 04, 2019, 10:33:50 AM
Spoke to a mate that's had alot to do with ACU over the years and I asked the question and said it could very well be down to the fastener , when I said it wasn't d ring closure
Nah...a few Shoei are seat belt buckle type and meet ACU accreditation.
I did think some did but wasn't sure
I remember the shit storm created when the SHARP ratings came out . As it did show that the big boys were ripping us off regarding cost for a lid being beaten in a standardadised test v some "cheaper" models.
I have a AGV K3 Guy martin replica got it at the London show and at a bargain price. can't fault it . probably the best lid I've owned.
I've never bought a mega bucks lid. But I've never gone dirt cheap either. My last 3 have been bought at the London show, all branded (2xAGV and a Shark) and been cheaper as they're deemed old design and model.
When Scarface had his accident, he was wearing a cheapie. As he hit the ground, the impact forced the strap through the fastening enough for the lid to come off. This meant 10 days in a coma, 14 days in ITC and months of neuro rehab, quite apart from having to have parts of his face reattached after they were semi ripped off by the strap. Ok, so this was a few years ago, but it's a definite no from me. When you see your own son (or wife/girlfriend in this case) laying in the road, blood pissing from head wounds, looking like they're dead, it kinda concentrates your mind a tad
I'd include AGV and Shark in the type of lid I'd happily wear without a doubt.
It's these clearly bollocks cheap shit helmets that wouldn't get the time of day from me for the reasons Fastas lists above.
I don't care what others say - you generally get what you pay for and £30 for a lid (even if it's discounted from £80, although I doubt it was ever that price really) is fit for fuck all. I wouldn't even plant flowers in one.
shit lids exist fact , seen more than a few ,but that however does not mean all cheap lids are unsafe or poor quality , there is no real reason why arai can warrant a supremely higher price tag other than "top racers wear our lids be like them" im not saying all cheap lids are safe or good value but we shouldnt discount these brands , as far as im aware sharp tests are quite extensive and dont lie , check there sight im sure your find 1 star lids that cost more than what ive posted , those are the dangerous ones
I look at it the same way I do "cheap" white goods. They pass all the required safety standards, but at a fraction of the price. But you can often (not always) tell the quality difference. Our fridge is a Beko which meets all the standards, but it's falling apart already after 2 years. I realise this doesn't count for every scenario, and I'm not suggesting buying the most expensive either.
When I had my off at Oulton Park, I was wearing an Arai (I forget the model) and was a c.£500 lid. I was knocked out and had dizzy spells for over a month after the accident. Cos/Aim and Wizzbang came up to help me get the Gixxer road worthy again about a month later. We took turns with a pin hammer and lump hammer beating the ruined lid to try and get the shell to crack. We managed it, but the 3 of us looked like we'd just run a marathon.
I'll buy a cheap(er) lid than I have, but I'll be sticking to established brands, even if they aren't the top of the line. My head, in all it's empty glory means alot to me.
Reading this I am conflicted.
My road lids have always been the best I could afford and generally Shoei. Since I took up green laning I have a much cheaper lid cos the speeds are much slower and it just get beaten to death by hedgerows.
That said I do enough road work between lanes that I really should get something better.
I'll just leave this here and alter my position on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THEav4gFcDk
I've just thrown a good few hundred notes at an Arai RX7........ and I'm glad I did.
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on May 01, 2019, 01:38:21 PM
I'll just leave this here and alter my position on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THEav4gFcDk
I've just thrown a good few hundred notes at an Arai RX7........ and I'm glad I did.
I have an RX7GP that I no longer wear as I have a flip front, but, I wrecked a similar Arai at Oulton Park and I'm eternally grateful at how much money it cost me!
Some things you just can't scrimp on.....
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on May 01, 2019, 03:24:15 PM
Some things you just can't scrimp on.....
Absolutely, you only get one head look after it - Don't wear cheap helmets. Them cheapest lid I have ever bought was an HJC at about £80 reduced from £120 RRP. Worst lid I've ever had, fit was poor, noisy as feck, heavy, uncomfortable, etc etc but it was still streets ahead of the no name 'cheap' lids.
I will always pay for what matters, safety and protection be it tyres/brakes/helmets/gloves/boots. With helmets while Aria and Shoei are expensive they do make the best.
Yet if these helmets had arai on them , but wore the exact same helmet , you would think it's fantastic
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 01, 2019, 04:44:04 PM
Yet if these helmets had arai on them , but wore the exact same helmet , you would think it's fantastic
I very much doubt that, while your cheap helmet may be of reasonable quality it's not going to stack up to a proper one.
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 01, 2019, 04:44:04 PM
Yet if these helmets had arai on them , but wore the exact same helmet , you would think it's fantastic
probably........ so is it the exact same helmet?
thought not.
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 01, 2019, 04:44:04 PM
Yet if these helmets had arai on them , but wore the exact same helmet , you would think it's fantastic
No we fucking wouldn't. Give it up.
Quote from: Green_Ninja on May 01, 2019, 05:05:27 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 01, 2019, 04:44:04 PM
Yet if these helmets had arai on them , but wore the exact same helmet , you would think it's fantastic
I very much doubt that, while your cheap helmet may be of reasonable quality it's not going to stack up to a proper one.
I have high end helmets and have always had high end helmets , mainly because I'm a tart and like a bit of carbon , I've tried numours ones over the years and I'm telling you these helmets are higher rated for safety than most entry level helmets from the major brands , higher than some of the mid level ones also , and the quality is on par with the low to mid
Have we really become a nation where we are so blinded by corporate branding that if something new emerges at a low or affordable price we Instantly dismiss it as rubbish , every major brand started somewhere
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 01, 2019, 06:41:58 PM
Have we really become a nation where we are so blinded by corporate branding that if something new emerges at a low or affordable price we Instantly dismiss it as rubbish , every major brand started somewhere
Yes.
Quote from: Alzo on May 01, 2019, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 01, 2019, 06:41:58 PM
Have we really become a nation where we are so blinded by corporate branding that if something new emerges at a low or affordable price we Instantly dismiss it as rubbish , every major brand started somewhere
Yes.
at least that was honest lol
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 01, 2019, 07:04:25 PM
Quote from: Alzo on May 01, 2019, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 01, 2019, 06:41:58 PM
Have we really become a nation where we are so blinded by corporate branding that if something new emerges at a low or affordable price we Instantly dismiss it as rubbish , every major brand started somewhere
Yes.
at least that was honest lol
:)
Is the outer shell plastic, or composite like this:
https://www.whyarai.co.uk/hand-made
?
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on May 02, 2019, 07:03:01 AM
Is the outer shell plastic, or composite like this:
https://www.whyarai.co.uk/hand-made
?
composite
A £30 composite shell helmet?
Hmmmmmm
I've just googled them, they're plastic.........
Nearly as good as an entry level helmet from a known brand?
Where do I sign up to that kind of no-brainer, marketing genius, awesomeness for my head?
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on May 02, 2019, 07:27:10 AM
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on May 02, 2019, 07:03:01 AM
Is the outer shell plastic, or composite like this:
https://www.whyarai.co.uk/hand-made
?
composite
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: what a load of shite. injected plastic is what they are and in NO WAY comparable to a proper, safe, crash helmet. Buy nice or buy twice as they say.
At the end of the day, people can quote safety ratings all they want, and there is probably a disparity between price and quality but it's all subjective. I've shell out over £1000 (twice) on new iPhones. Does the price guarantee quality/features etc? Not necessarily. But I like them.
When it comes to safety and protection, I just can't (and won't) bring myself to buy protective gear that seems unrealistically cheap. But that doesn't mean I will pay upwards of £700 for a lid either. I take my safety seriously and I put my faith in the fact that companies like Arai, Shoei, Caberg, Schuberth etc have been around the block for many years and in the case of Arai/Shoei are respected enough to be big names in racing which can only help to advance safety.
In a nutshell, I don't care what stickers or certificates something has, if it's an unknown brand claiming quality products for a suspiciously low price then I'm unlikely to buy. That said I'd happily by an HJC helmet for instance for the c.£300 mark.
Also, if the helmets were such good quality/safe etc, supply and demand would dictate that they could (and would) ramp up their prices to take advantage of the market.
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on May 02, 2019, 07:40:29 AM
I've just googled them, they're plastic.........
Ahhhhh....... busted!
I agree with Carbon's logic. The analogy I was thinking of was with planes. I'll accept that if I fly Ryanair I'm not going to get all of the comfort and 'nice to haves' as a premium flight.... but I don't expect it to be anymore likely to fall out of the air once it's passed the standard required!
As for helmets, if the product is the same quality and safety and it can be proven then we are all mugs for letting premium brands rip us off. But that argument HAS to bear up to actual scrutiny. You can't just HOPE that they are the same quality Carbon!
You'd fly RyanAir???
Hahaha.......you mug.
I wouldn't.
Quote from: Gilby104 on May 02, 2019, 01:43:11 PM
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on May 02, 2019, 07:40:29 AM
I've just googled them, they're plastic.........
Ahhhhh....... busted!
I agree with Carbon's logic. The analogy I was thinking of was with planes. I'll accept that if I fly Ryanair I'm not going to get all of the comfort and 'nice to haves' as a premium flight.... but I don't expect it to be anymore likely to fall out of the air once it's passed the standard required!
As for helmets, if the product is the same quality and safety and it can be proven then we are all mugs for letting premium brands rip us off. But that argument HAS to bear up to actual scrutiny. You can't just HOPE that they are the same quality Carbon!
The flight analogy is flawed, they aren't producing a product, in this case the airplane. They are buying the same plane (more or less) that other airlines are buying and then using it to provide a service. The only way the RyanAir analogy works is if they built their own planes, and if they did I sure as shit wouldn't fly on one :rofl:
Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on May 02, 2019, 02:08:06 PM
You'd fly RyanAir???
Hahaha.......you mug.
I wouldn't.
Errrrrrrr
You will be
I'll fly with a company I trust to look after their aircrew and hire a car Daniel ;)
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-12/call-for-action-on-shocking-trade-in-fake-crash-helmets-itv-news-investigation/
Not fake however
E-marked?
The article wasn't about just fake helmets, but cheap shit ones too.
Of course it's emarked , it's just not ACU certified
I have just crash tested an Arai tour 3. I still have a chin, so buy the decent stuff.
Case closed
Quote from: terry950sm on July 14, 2019, 11:18:22 AM
I have just crash tested an Arai tour 3. I still have a chin, so buy the decent stuff.
Case closed
Hope you are ok .