It still didn't work too well.

My 2010 S1000 did the crank and rods 5 minutes after first service and restriction lifted.

Not overly delighted with my BMW...infact if I knew then what I know now I'd keep my Speed R...some silly issues with a poor PDI...some failed switchgear...but the biggest overriding thing is I do not like the arrogance surrounding the BMW brand...both dealer and manufacturer see no problem in the bike failing..."we fixed it so what's your beef"...I'm not gelling with the Dealership the way I did with my local Triumph lot.

Quote from: The Wizard of MOz on June 07, 2015, 07:01:06 AM
Ahh I see - restricted for running in. No, it's not.

BMW love that shit. The V8 M3 when it came out had very strict running in limits that the ECU told the techs the max revs you had used. If you exceeded them, your warranty was invalidated (I was told).

Ha how very German!

I remember a dealer telling me that when I bought my Fireblade back in 2003, but I've never heard anything since.
And my bike clicked round it's 800th mile somewhere down Craner Curves at Donington so I didn't pay too much attention to it....

Quote from: legzr1 on June 07, 2015, 08:07:44 AM
It still didn't work too well.

My 2010 S1000 did the crank and rods 5 minutes after first service and restriction lifted.

I have heard a lot of inlet valve replacement...very fragile motorcycle it would seem. Back on a Triumph as soon as I can...keep this for a year as I would take a massive hit just now.

Quote from: Alzo on June 07, 2015, 04:37:50 PM

Quote from: legzr1 on June 07, 2015, 08:07:44 AM
It still didn't work too well.

My 2010 S1000 did the crank and rods 5 minutes after first service and restriction lifted.

I have heard a lot of inlet valve replacement...very fragile motorcycle it would seem. Back on a Triumph as soon as I can...keep this for a year as I would take a massive hit just now.

Cue next winters Alzo's new keeper thread 😉

FWIW Alzo it's a shame that you've had this experience, funny how being in the car game shows a level of arrogance in some brands versus others and you are an example of how the people make a difference in the ownership of the vehicle. Problems are fine as long as the people you deal with recognise their impact on you and look after you accordingly.

As far as the Yam is concerned Moz, hope it's everything you want, personally don't get them and think they are too much hype but then I'd have a zx10r and you'd think the same lol

Yip very true Mark...I'm trying to get back to a good place with this bike...with extras it has cost me £12.5k of my hard earned...my issues have been a collective of minor ones...but I get the sense that if something big did happen there would be no urgency...and I would have to suck it up...whereas Two Wheels in Edinburgh couldn't do enough....courtesy bike and an apology straight away...and a desire to see me right...I looked at exchanging the BMW...but the hit was eye watering.


Moz sorry for the hijack.

No worries. It's a bike forum. I was going to say the R1 is worth it for the handling and engine alone. Everything else is a bonus.

Quote from: Alzo on June 07, 2015, 04:37:50 PM

Quote from: legzr1 on June 07, 2015, 08:07:44 AM
It still didn't work too well.

My 2010 S1000 did the crank and rods 5 minutes after first service and restriction lifted.

I have heard a lot of inlet valve replacement...very fragile motorcycle it would seem. Back on a Triumph as soon as I can...keep this for a year as I would take a massive hit just now.

Mine was one of around 50 worldwide in the first batch that had incorrect main bearing tolerances - first time over 10,000 rpm and boom (well, more of a squeak and a death rattle).

To be fair, both the dealer and BMW were excellent and had a new engine in a van driven over night from Berlin and fitted and ready to go over a BH weekend.
Free Akra and other bits and pieces for 'my trouble' too but it has to be said, the build quality isn't there with BMW bikes just yet - the later stuff looks far better but I'm still hearing of trouble with cams on 2015 RR"s even now.

BMW have to be thanked though - they've made the Japs (and Yamaha in particular) sit up and take notice - now, just five years later we have the 2015 R1 - I suspect it wouldn't be anywhere near this good without the Germans giving them a scare

I don't agree....in as much as my 2007 Yamaha R1 was a thing of beauty and the build quality was superb...so from that respect Yamaha have never needed to play catch up...Suzuki and Kawasaki definitely....Honda are generally very good too.

I should have been clearer - my last paragraph was in regards to performance and technology in general rather than build quality.

Pitched up next to a new R1 in red in Alston yesterday. Lovely looking machine and the red disc centres didn't stand out to the point that they'd bother me. Had a lovely Akrapovic on it which sounded immense when he decided it would be a great idea to bounce it off the limiter next to the petrol pump......

Had some fucking awful crash bobbins on it thought, silver blade looking things. But I guess the alternative is worse!

Quote from: legzr1 on June 08, 2015, 08:50:08 AM
I should have been clearer - my last paragraph was in regards to performance and technology in general rather than build quality.

Quote from: PJ on June 08, 2015, 12:26:41 PM
Pitched up next to a new R1 in red in Alston yesterday. Lovely looking machine and the red disc centres didn't stand out to the point that they'd bother me. Had a lovely Akrapovic on it which sounded immense when he decided it would be a great idea to bounce it off the limiter next to the petrol pump......

Had some fucking awful crash bobbins on it thought, silver blade looking things. But I guess the alternative is worse!

We met up with a few from PH at Kirby around midday then up to Hartside via Middleton and Alston - sure I spotted the red R1 when we stopped for fuel so you were probably there somewhere too!

Quote from: legzr1 on June 08, 2015, 01:09:51 PM

Quote from: PJ on June 08, 2015, 12:26:41 PM
Pitched up next to a new R1 in red in Alston yesterday. Lovely looking machine and the red disc centres didn't stand out to the point that they'd bother me. Had a lovely Akrapovic on it which sounded immense when he decided it would be a great idea to bounce it off the limiter next to the petrol pump......

Had some fucking awful crash bobbins on it thought, silver blade looking things. But I guess the alternative is worse!

We met up with a few from PH at Kirby around midday then up to Hartside via Middleton and Alston - sure I spotted the red R1 when we stopped for fuel so you were probably there somewhere too!

I was at Kirkby Lonsdale about 1pm and at Hartside about 3pm so yeah I was knocking around at the same time! I dropped down into Alston to the big petrol station which would have been about 4pm I reckon.



Guy on the R1 was there with a newish Blade SP :-)

Route we took was :



I'm sure were probably moments away from bumping into each other at some point!