I'm aware of issues with the latest Panigale V4....a friend bought an S model and in a short time it has been in for various software updates...fire risk update...misting Dashboard....and the latest is revised fairings to assist with horrendous heat build up from the rear cylinders.
I now hear through a reliable source the Triumph Speed Triple RS is having some serious engine issues and switchgear issues
So what is going on with manufacturers...surely having been building bikes for decades they should be producing better bikes...not lesser bikes...are the public being used as unpaid Test mules?????

I suspect there is a challenge where they are trying to balance producing higher tech bikes whilst maintaining a profit meaning often cheaper manufacturing being used at mass production stage than were used at pre-production testing. switchgear is commonly sourced from China by quite a few manufacturers and the quality control is not as demanding in a lot of cases.
It is a poor show especially when you look at the cost of bikes these days that eople have to deal with these kind of issues though.

A £25k Ducati should be a well tested and proven bike pre production...to be getting so many updates so early in to release is unacceptable.
And for Triumph to be getting "major" engine problems is just depressing...this was on the shortlist for Keeper 2019

Don't believe the hype.  90% of bike 'innovation' is about cost reduction not offering the owner anything.  Bike manufacturers are all basically broke and facing a reducing market.  Deep down I think they see their future selling millions of electric scooters in the Far East than high performance bikes to fat, old men in the West.

The amount of brands having bikes lower cc bikes built in India is an indication of the way things are likely to go unfortunately

has it ever been any different when a new model is introduced?
there is almost always problems with the first iteration
probably always worth while to leave it a year and wait for the kinks to be ironed out

I think the various regulation hoops they have to jump through are definitely a factor in increasing costs and leading to corners being cut elsewhere.

Always used to be that Honda had better quality than Suzuki for example now their us nothing between the big four and it's not the others bringing their standards up.

Better off buying an older less technical model IMO.

I will buy a model I love the looks of next  be it a 10 yr old etc and find the best example I can of it. To this day i regret getting rid of my C1H and if i found a gleaming example with tasteful additions id snap one up, and not regret the purchase every time I rode it.

Quote from: Neio79 on July 15, 2018, 05:43:40 PM
Better off buying an older less technical model IMO.

I will buy a model I love the looks of next  be it a 10 yr old etc and find the best example I can of it. To this day i regret getting rid of my C1H and if i found a gleaming example with tasteful additions id snap one up, and not regret the purchase every time I rode it.

I still love my B1  the mods I've made with the suspension and brakes don't take away from it. No plans to sell it

Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on July 12, 2018, 08:46:42 AM
The amount of brands having bikes lower cc bikes built in India is an indication of the way things are likely to go unfortunately

I don't think that's completely comparable, though. Have you seen the roads in India? They're fucking awful. You CAN'T go fast on them so why have a bigger bike? Even on the highways, I've witnessed things like an old tractor with no lights at night coming the wrong way in the 'fast' lane. And that's just normal.