Would the current MotoGP class bikes be unrideable without the electronic aids? My thinking is like the statement that the (Eurofighter I think?) was unflyable without the computers due to being too unstable?

Correct - Typhoon is designed unstable as it makes it incredibly manoeuvrable.

Without the fly by wire computers (quad redundancy) it would just fall out of the sky...

Quote from: PJ on October 16, 2013, 08:37:56 PM
Would the current MotoGP class bikes be unrideable without the electronic aids? My thinking is like the statement that the (Eurofighter I think?) was unflyable without the computers due to being too unstable?

Probably not un-rideable.... but a current bike with the TC etc turned off would be nowhere near as fast as a bike designed to operate without the gizmos in the first place. N.B. That comment doesn't apply if you turn the electrics off at a point undisclosed to the rider!!

Can't remember who said it on here but a relevant point was that it's a moot point in as much as the bikes wouldn't finish a race in any case because the computer is required to stop you spanking all your fuel in the first 10 laps!

Now that ones cleared up...

Messi or Pele?

Quote from: J3Math on October 16, 2013, 10:50:45 PM
Now that ones cleared up...

Messi or Pele?

Best - the other two don't come close....

Diego............

Quote from: Gobert on October 17, 2013, 08:23:32 AM
Diego............

Forlan???

gazza.

/thread

(we are talking about useless wastes of space footballists, right?)

Quote from: PJ on October 16, 2013, 08:37:56 PM
Would the current MotoGP class bikes be unrideable without the electronic aids? My thinking is like the statement that the (Eurofighter I think?) was unflyable without the computers due to being too unstable?

They'd be close to unrideable, and the Typhoon analogy isn't far off.  The bikes have very erratic and peaky torque curves to get the last nth of fuel economy out of them.  The computers smooth this out by making constant corrections to the fuelling and butterflies so that it appears smooth to the rider.  They call it Torque-by-wire.

Quote from: J3Math on October 16, 2013, 10:50:45 PM
Now that ones cleared up...

Messi or Pele?

Peter Crouch

Rob

To me Rossi is a phenomenal rider and done wonders for the sport,  but GOAT,  I'm not convinced,  to me for someone to have that title then they must have done something  in more than one league so his moto gp career is one,  and if he had lifted either a wsbk out iom tt victory as well then I'd be more likely to agree.

Moto GP tweeted this so I thought I would stick it up.
http://youtu.be/JyK9BcgGS64

Quote from: captain sensible on October 17, 2013, 12:25:42 PM
To me Rossi is a phenomenal rider and done wonders for the sport,  but GOAT,  I'm not convinced,  to me for someone to have that title then they must have done something  in more than one league so his moto gp career is one,  and if he had lifted either a wsbk out iom tt victory as well then I'd be more likely to agree.

WSB or IoM?  Seriously?  Nine World Championships on five different bike formats and you want to see him in Sunday League racing? 

Captain sensible has a point.... he may be the GOAT in moto-gp but not the GOAT of motorcycle racing..... I'm certainly not calling gp riders wimps, but they dont have the levels of bravery insanity of the road racers......

I think John Surtees needs a mention here... 7 GP championships AND 1 in Formula one, oh and the first to win the senior TT three times in a row!
I would have been interested to see Rossi in a ferrari as was rumoured a few years ago, shame it will never happen!

Road racing is a long way short of GP racing.  It seems to me to be where riders go that can't quite make it on proper racetracks.

And if you parachuted Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo, etc into WSB at the top of their games they'd walk it.  I was going to say Dani, but he'd probably get hit by a meteor shower....