Quote from: David w on October 17, 2013, 01:25:54 PM
Road racing is a long way short of GP racing.  It seems to me to be where riders go that can't quite make it on proper racetracks.

I think that might be a little harsh    It doesn't take more skill to be a road racer no,  but it certainly takes more bravery which I think is part of being a great racer. Could Rossi blitz the TT if he entered, almost certainly, would he risk it? no way!  WSB though, I agree entirely......

He'd be closer round the TT than a TT racer would be to him around a proper track

They asked DJ how he thought MotoGP riders would get on at the TT..........he said he wouldn't see which way they went.

Josh Brookes is a good example - top 5 rider in what compared to previous years is a weak BSB championship talent wise, did a 127mph lap during his first visit.

As far as WSBK goes, I think someone like Nicky Hayden would walk it with the right bike let alone the real top talents.

Quote from: Gobert on October 17, 2013, 03:00:02 PM


As far as WSBK goes, I think someone like Nicky Hayden would walk it with the right bike let alone the real top talents.

Hayden has made his decision for 2014...stay in the big class picking up a wage as an "also ran"...which is no real change from what he has being doing at Ducati.
https://twitter.com/NickyHayden/status/390772293737406464/photo/1

Quote from: David w on October 16, 2013, 08:07:14 PM
When Lorenzo was asked who the greatest was, Hailwood or Ago, he answered 'Valentino'....  I'll take his opinion as an expert one.

Dani at Aragon proved how much work the bike does these days.  On the 500's, the rider had to stop it doing that himself, on every corner, at every race.

Rossi isn't winning anymore because he's 34 years old.  And he lost two years at Ducati and probably ended up a worse rider than he started there.  If he was 5 or 6 years younger he'd be able to come back from it but he's just getting older.  And the Yamaha is struggling a bit this year too which obviously doesn't help.

That and maybe he still has the demons in his head from hitting Marco. That surely must be in his mind.
Takes a lot to go out there and do what he does after that incident.

He is the GOAT. 

Adaptability makes a great rider into a legend.

In my opinion rider aids are making riders less adaptable.

A single thing failing causes an off......really.....adapt overcome ride around issues thats a rider

In my view Rossi is the GOAT but this is not just about his success as a rider he is an ad mans dream, he is always up for a laugh, he just seems to be one of those really nice guys.

There is one thing saying he is the GOAT, only time will tell, but I bet you in 100 years time they will still be talking about him, could the same be said for pedrosa......... Rossi will go down in history, that's why he is the GOAT.... And at his age he is still embarrassing some of the younger riders

Quote from: Steve R1 on October 18, 2013, 06:23:09 AM
In my view Rossi is the GOAT but this is not just about his success as a rider he is an ad mans dream, he is always up for a laugh, he just seems to be one of those really nice guys.

There is one thing saying he is the GOAT, only time will tell, but I bet you in 100 years time they will still be talking about him, could the same be said for pedrosa......... Rossi will go down in history, that's why he is the GOAT.... And at his age he is still embarrassing some of the younger riders

absolutely spot on 

QuoteA single thing failing causes an off......really.....adapt overcome ride around issues thats a rider

But to be fair, it's a bit tricky "riding around" thinking you've got traction control but then suddenly and unexpectedly not having!

Quote from: Bullet on October 17, 2013, 01:14:42 PM
Captain sensible has a point.... he may be the GOAT in moto-gp but not the GOAT of motorcycle racing..... I'm certainly not calling gp riders wimps, but they dont have the levels of bravery insanity of the road racers......

I think John Surtees needs a mention here... 7 GP championships AND 1 in Formula one, oh and the first to win the senior TT three times in a row!
I would have been interested to see Rossi in a ferrari as was rumoured a few years ago, shame it will never happen!

I see what you're saying but MotoGP IS motorcycle racing.... it is the pinnacle where the best go to be measured. Ayrton Senna never won a BTC or a DMT championship but I don't think that sullies his record!

As for road racing it's just a different ball game, in the same was as motox would be. Similar skill set but if you organised a round robin of motorcycle events then Rossi would wipe the floor with JMcG etc etc.

Surtees would be a shoe-in for the GOAT leaderboard but I have no idea what he brought to the table in terms of personality and what he gave to motorcycle racing - that's a big part of the Rossi legacy!

Quote from: tucola on October 18, 2013, 09:27:02 AM

QuoteA single thing failing causes an off......really.....adapt overcome ride around issues thats a rider

But to be fair, it's a bit tricky "riding around" thinking you've got traction control but then suddenly and unexpectedly not having!

Agreed. But it shows he is snapping the throttle open...unlike mr rossi i suspect

I think these days they all pretty much nail the throttle and let the electronics sort the job out.

Quote from: David w on October 19, 2013, 09:36:30 PM
I think these days they all pretty much nail the throttle and let the electronics sort the job out.

Sounds like a piss of piece, here hold me beer and watch this

Quote from: Coxy on October 21, 2013, 01:34:23 PM

Quote from: David w on October 19, 2013, 09:36:30 PM
I think these days they all pretty much nail the throttle and let the electronics sort the job out.

Sounds like a piss of piece, here hold me beer and watch this

Let me know when -- I'll pre-order the ambulance