Possible alarm issues :(

[PJ]

I was going to post this in Electrical but didn't want it to go unnoticed. This might just be coincidence or my own stupid ham fists that caused this, but here goes...

My R6 has a Datatool S4 C1 Red fitted, and the previous owner fitted short mini indicators to the rear so he could fit a tiny plate. With Scotland coming up I wanted to put longer ones on to put a standard plate back on, simple task you think yeah? Or not.

So the fitting went perfectly to plan except for when bolting the R&G tail tidy back on one of the indicator wires became trapped and wore through. Now this might be the important bit as this may be the cause. I tested the indicators with it all hanging down, no problems. Once bolted back on the left one worked fine but when I tried the right neither of them worked, and also the light on the dash didn't come on which is potentially important to this story.

Once I realised I made the final adjustments and refitted everything and all the indicators work, however I did notice that when turning of the immobiliser with the fob the indicators didn't flash. This then led me to the outcome I have now :

1. When I press the fob I hear a noise from the alarm relay as normal but the indicators don't flash.
2. If I press it second time I get a continuous beeping maybe once a second that seems to go on endlessly. Pressing the fob won't shut it up.
3. If I then turn the bike on the alarm goes off, then disarms fine using the fob, but and most crucially, it won't start. It cranks just fine but won't start.
4. If I then turn the ignition off after 45 seconds the bike makes the usual series of beeps until the immobiliser auto arms.

I have checked and rechecked all the wiring to no avail. I have had the battery on the Optimate all afternoon and this has also made no difference. At rest the battery is showing 12.56v across it dropping to about 10v when I try to start it.

I have also check the 10amp ( I think) fuse in the alarm wiring.

Any ideas? This series of beeps and behaviour does not appear to be documented in any way in the Datatool manual so I am at a loss. I also don't have any real time between now and Scotland to get it booked into a dealer.

Thanks

[Alzo]

Battery...

[PJ]

Battery...

I need to confirm that before I splurge on a new one lol

[Alzo]

Chicken and the Egg.

[Druid]

Remove alarm system.

[PJ]

Just to add the fuel pump isn't priming either which leads me to believe it's still in an immobilised state...

[Jonesy]

So in summary...

You've changed the indicators and now the alarm doesn't work?
It was working fine beforehand?

Could you have disturbed anything else in the loom?
How is the alarm fitted? Scotch locks? Spliced in? Soldered?
Sounds like you've disrupted a wire somewhere!

Is there an override procedure for the alarm? just to eliminate it from the process in case its something else like the side stand / clutch switch etc.


If all else fails they aren't that hard to remove. I took a veto evo off my old blade with just some common sense and time.

[PJ]

In essence Mark, yes, it was fine (as far as I know) before that. The wiring for the alarm all seems fine and doesn't run anywhere near where I was messing with and it looks properly wired\soldered in. Nothing obvious has been disturbed (that I can see).

No mention of an override in the manual but waiting on Datatool to get back to me.

[PJ]

Just spoke to Datatool, they've never ever heard of a unit making a continuous set of beeps like mine is doing but they suggest that if the indicators aren't flashing when I attempt to disarm it then it could be the 10amp fuse to the alarm and to check that. Will see tonight.

[Alzo]

There is a service mode. I got my dealer to leave my alarm like that...hated the fucking thing.

[PJ]

There is a service mode. I got my dealer to leave my alarm like that...hated the fucking thing.

That might be a goer if the thing pisses me about anymore! haha

Just didn't want to be having to book it into a dealer this close to Scotland with limited time etc but we'll see.

[Jonesy]

My datatool got moisture inside it and did all sorts of shit things...

Rip it out and pay the extra 40p (or whatever the cost saving by having an alarm) and deal with the fact that that's what insurance is for.

I used to leave the blade anywhere and everywhere in London and never had an issue. I know far too many people that worry about their bikes too much. Let's face it if it's going to be nicked an alarm isn't going to put off a determined theif

Alarms are too much hassle.

[komp]

My datatool got moisture inside it and did all sorts of shit things...

Rip it out and pay the extra 40p (or whatever the cost saving by having an alarm) and deal with the fact that that's what insurance is for.

I used to leave the blade anywhere and everywhere in London and never had an issue. I know far too many people that worry about their bikes too much. Let's face it if it's going to be nicked an alarm isn't going to put off a determined theif

Alarms are too much hassle.

aye
I wouldn't bother with one again, more trouble than they are worth, and no-one pays attention to them anyway (apart from the owner)
not had one on last 2 bikes after agro i had with the zzr1400, the battery would last a week if i was lucky and certain RF signals(mainly at french tolls) would prevent bike from be started!

[Andy M]

sounds like the exposed wire has blown a fuse, either within the alarm if it has its own fuses or in the usual place

[Alzo]

My 2010 Triumph Daytona was the only bike every insurance company insisted it be alarmed...I hated every nano second of it...service mode was a God send.