Filtering etiquette

[Tiiimmmaaayyyy]

Let's face it, if you filter with high beam on then I'm afraid you are a little bit of cnut. Soz.

[Gilby104]

Let's face it, if you filter with high beam on then I'm afraid you are a little bit of cnut. Soz.

oh yeah sure..... but not "trying" to be one!

[Gilby104]

woah woah woah, what's with the witch hunt? I've admitted to filtering on full beam in specific circumstances, but not to be a cunt, in an attempt to stay safer. Happy to be educated but don't understand the hatred, or why you'd revel in telling people they'd fucked themselves by riding on full beam.

As it happens i will likely be following your advice in the future (I have no doubt you know exactly what you're talking about and I know your knowledge of court cases is outstanding) but I can't believe there are no safety benefits at all to high beam filtering through stopped / v.slow moving traffic on trunk roads. I have personally missed bike headlights in a sea of headlights when changing lanes in that situation where as full beam jumps out and even if dazzled for a second you know it's a bike and you know not to move.... which are the two things I was aiming to achieve from filtering with h. beam on?   

(I'm not saying that they would stop more accidents than they'd cause but I do think there are circumstances when they'd have stopped accidents that would have occurred with dipped beam)

I am not on a witch hunt, I was simply making a comment in response to your statement of fact.  My court experience has nothing to do with my comments,  my comments were made on exprience of motorcycle cases I have been involved in as a result of crashes that have occured as a result of displaying high beam.

There is no hatred on my part either, I was simply pointing out fact and that you are not only p1ssing of a lot of people (me included), but the predicament you could find yourself in when it all goes pear shaped. 

I have no authority to stop you using high beam, I have no desire or interest in telling you how to ride or what to do, but, there are those out there who will be the first to whinge and comlplain when they find themselves out of pocket and facing massive losses when something goes wrong which could have been avoided.

And show me that there is a proven safety benefit, and I will be happy to accept it,  but I can and will show you an equal number of serious crashes that have occured because of high beam.

Dipped beam?  Fine, but high beam causes (at the risk of repeating myself) the halo affect and this is where the problem lies, and as I can testify to from yesterday, a bike came up behind me filtering on high beam, and apart from the fact that it took a few minutes for my eyes to refocus after seeing the lights in my rear view mirror, there were a couple of other drivers who literally failed to judge speed and distance of the approaching bike and nearly had him off. 

How do I know?  I followed them into the services, and they were not old or youngsters, and so I asked them, and the reply I got was that they saw the bike and they thought it was further back and travelling slower than it actually was, but because theie eyes lost focus due to the beam bounding off their rear view mirror,  it was only when the bike was on top of them that they realised just how close the bike was and that they managed to get out of the way just in time.

So not a witch hunt, quite the contrary.  But please feel free to continue as you deem fit!!!

Then I've miss-read your previous post insofar as you said you love telling people that they may have ruined their case by riding with high beam. In my case, it would have been an mistake to ride on high beam and one where I thought I was doing the best thing (pretty specialist knowledge to know about the halo thing) - seems a little unreasonable if a lack of training or knowledge led to an accident that I'd be due no sympathy.

For the record I have every interest in listening to your advice and experience - I will most likely be following it.

My comments on what I have seen of high beam are based only on what I have seen from the bike or the car, they are anecdotal. I wouldn't expect you to except it as fact but I'd suggest it is at least as reliable as the people you spoke to in the service station. 

[Tiiimmmaaayyyy]

seems a little unreasonable if a lack of training or knowledge led to an accident that I'd be due no sympathy.

Remember, ignorance is no defence dear boy.

[Gilby104]

seems a little unreasonable if a lack of training or knowledge led to an accident that I'd be due no sympathy.

Remember, ignorance is no defence dear boy.

Undeniably true. But I'd argue it is a reasonable mistake to make (which perhaps is not the case) and the law tends to work on the basis of what's reasonable and what's not as far as I understand.

[T.C]

My comments on what I have seen of high beam are based only on what I have seen from the bike or the car, they are anecdotal. I wouldn't expect you to except it as fact but I'd suggest it is at least as reliable as the people you spoke to in the service station.

The example from yesterday was just coincidental and I mentioned it simply because it was so fresh in my mind, but there are plenty of other incidents I could refer to 

And I take your point about what is reasonable or not (although it does not always work that way) .  Main beam in these circumstances is not reasonable (night or day)

[Lord Danoir the first]

Let's face it, if you filter with high beam on then I'm afraid you are a little bit of cnut. Soz.

oh yeah sure..... but not "trying" to be one!

I'm not having it that my dear friend Gilby is a little bit of a cnut...... he's actually a massive cunt!!

Don't you worry Gilboir, I've got your back.......

[Gilby104]

My comments on what I have seen of high beam are based only on what I have seen from the bike or the car, they are anecdotal. I wouldn't expect you to except it as fact but I'd suggest it is at least as reliable as the people you spoke to in the service station.

The example from yesterday was just coincidental and I mentioned it simply because it was so fresh in my mind, but there are plenty of other incidents I could refer to 

And I take your point about what is reasonable or not (although it does not always work that way) .  Main beam in these circumstances is not reasonable (night or day)

I am sure there are other cases.... won't be any cases of full beam headlights avoiding accidents though!! 

Touche.

[Gilby104]

Let's face it, if you filter with high beam on then I'm afraid you are a little bit of cnut. Soz.

oh yeah sure..... but not "trying" to be one!

I'm not having it that my dear friend Gilby is a little bit of a cnut...... he's actually a massive cunt!!

Don't you worry Gilboir, I've got your back.......

I know you've got my back Danoir..... it's a lovely warm feeling!

Wait a second, it's really warm.... and it smells like urine in here..... and what's all this chat about rain? 

[T.C]

I am sure there are other cases.... won't be any cases of full beam headlights avoiding accidents though!! 

Touche.

Not avoiding accidents, but causing accidents.

[Gilby104]

I am sure there are other cases.... won't be any cases of full beam headlights avoiding accidents though!! 

Touche.

Not avoiding accidents, but causing accidents.

fuuuuck the internet...... the part of my brain that knows you knew what I meant and playing with me is being absolutely torn to shreds by the pedant who needs to make sure I'm acknowledged as the well reasoned genius (and cunt) that I am.... so I'm changing tact....

"my dad could have your dad"

[komp]

much like tuc never used high beams or was aware people did?
I find having a noisy can and reving the bejuzuz out of bike has a much better effect in getting the attention of other road users

[Coxy]

Loud can definitely gets my attention 

[Bournetoride]

Have spent most of last week in a car commuting M1, M25, M4 and spending a lot of time stationary
It is very scary how little warning cagers get of an approaching bike coming up the white line, maybe 10 - 15 seconds and no amount of revving with a loud can will get through the radio blaring inside the soundproofing.
As a biker I was mostly on the lookout for bikes, but most of the others are simply frustrated at being stuck in gridlock
It is all about visiblity, pure and simple.
If you can't make yourself seen by the drivers you are about to pass then you are in very grave danger