Petition to allow Police to chase helmetless bike thieves.

[7550]

Just signed this.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/160404

[Alzo]

Done.

[David W]

What a load of bollocks.  The Police won't chase a helmetless thief because someone will end up dead, and nobody deserves to die over a motorcycle theft.

[Alzo]

Theft is theft...if they don't want to die on a Motorcycle helmet less then don't fucking steal it.
But if they do decide to steal a bike then death should be seen as an occupational hazard.

I'm in the chop a thieves hands off once convicted school of thought..or a rapists knob should be cut and hung around their necks...Kiddy fiddlers should be put to sleep...painfully.
So if one of these thieving little scumbags gets extinguished during a chase then all good.

[Green_Ninja]

Done, I agree with Alzo 

[7550]

Theft is theft...if they don't want to die on a Motorcycle helmet less then don't fucking steal it.
But if they do decide to steal a bike then death should be seen as an occupational hazard.

I'm in the chop a thieves hands off once convicted school of thought..or a rapists knob should be cut and hung around their necks...Kiddy fiddlers should be put to sleep...painfully.
So if one of these thieving little scumbags gets extinguished during a chase then all good.

Exactly.

[T.C]

The petition is pointless and a waste of time.

If they chase anyone and the rider (or anyone else dies or is injured or simply has a crash) the matter automatically gets referred to the IPCC for investigation (as everything seems to these days) and possible disciplinary action.  There is no law that says that they cannot pursue, it is a local decision and usually the crew need to get authority to pursue and then after one attempt to stop or it is obvious that the offenders are not going to stop, the crew have to stand down.

A petition like this will just make ife more difficult because it means that more and more decent coppers will be living under the stress and strain of an investigation by the IPCC who make these decent coppers feel like they are the criminals for doing their job, even though most of those who work for the IPCC have never done the job themselves.

There is then the possibility of disciplinary proceedings and court proceedings if the IPCC deem that the copper contributed to the cause of the incident (which is quite common) which initself has a knock on effect, even though the copper was acting in good faith, and of course in most forces only traffic crews are allowed to pursue and on nights there may only be one car covering a wide area if there is actually a night car out sucj is they way that departments have been decimated.

The guys are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't and clearly whoever thought up this petition has little idea or understanding of procedure.

Sorry, I cannot sign it.

[Alzo]

Frustrating....but can see that side of the debate too.
These bastards know all this and go about their business in that knowledge. The other part is the wrist slapping even if they do get caught. The only real possible deterrent is stiffer sentences...but that opens up more for costs etc.
Something needs done...it's an epidemic in Big Cities.

[Lord Danoir the first]

It's a no from me. There's absolutely no question that people will die and become seriously injured as a result of this.

Aside from the potential loss of life/serious injury to someone who's young and did something stupid..... it's only fucking property, the impact on families will be devastating and the pressure on police to pursue when they know the situation is dangerous will be unfair.......

Add in the public reaction to the police following a kid being killed whilst being pursued.... I can't see a single good reason to agree with this.

There's no easy answer and this isn't even heading in the right direction.

[Alzo]

The thieves doing most of the taking are not young and stupid...they are stealing to order...I honestly don't see them dying as a bad thing....one less scumbag is a plus in my book...but I also don't want to see a good Cops career ended due to the actions of these vermin.
I personally would do serious harm if I caught someone trying to take my "It's just property"...I guess I would just have to accept the consequences.

[Maddog]

This topic may provoke decent arguments!

Lord D...its not just property though. The moped gang culture in London isnt just stealing bikes. Its going out, 2 up, robbing people at knife point.

Lets say yours or a mates missus is out pushing the pram and the ped theives mount the pavement, one jumps off, throws her to the ground and takes whatever he can then fails to stop for police........do you really care what happens to him?? What about when the ped thieves mount the footway and hit you or a mate, or run the red light and hit some one crossing or cause a crash??....the ped thieves dont obey the rules of the road and only drive like nutters when police get behind them.

If you are saying no to pursuing them....how do they get stopped? Every criminal will get a ped and commit crime......which in fairness.....most of the yoot do anyway

[David W]

The thieves doing most of the taking are not young and stupid...they are stealing to order...I honestly don't see them dying as a bad thing....one less scumbag is a plus in my book...but I also don't want to see a good Cops career ended due to the actions of these vermin.
I personally would do serious harm if I caught someone trying to take my "It's just property"...I guess I would just have to accept the consequences.

The steal to order types don't tear off without a crash helmet.  Neither do the muggers.  Its more often than not going to be young kids on field/dirtbikes.  Quite probably the bike was stolen from somebody, somewhere along the line but like I said stealing a motorbike shouldn't carry a death penalty.

[David W]

This topic may provoke decent arguments!

Lord D...its not just property though. The moped gang culture in London isnt just stealing bikes. Its going out, 2 up, robbing people at knife point.

Lets say yours or a mates missus is out pushing the pram and the ped theives mount the pavement, one jumps off, throws her to the ground and takes whatever he can then fails to stop for police........do you really care what happens to him?? What about when the ped thieves mount the footway and hit you or a mate, or run the red light and hit some one crossing or cause a crash??....the ped thieves dont obey the rules of the road and only drive like nutters when police get behind them.

If you are saying no to pursuing them....how do they get stopped? Every criminal will get a ped and commit crime......which in fairness.....most of the yoot do anyway

And what if your missus and kid get mown down by a kid on a bike riding way beyond his ability because the Police are chasing him?

[Alzo]

The thieves doing most of the taking are not young and stupid...they are stealing to order...I honestly don't see them dying as a bad thing....one less scumbag is a plus in my book...but I also don't want to see a good Cops career ended due to the actions of these vermin.
I personally would do serious harm if I caught someone trying to take my "It's just property"...I guess I would just have to accept the consequences.

The steal to order types don't tear off without a crash helmet.  Neither do the muggers.  Its more often than not going to be young kids on field/dirtbikes.  Quite probably the bike was stolen from somebody, somewhere along the line but like I said stealing a motorbike shouldn't carry a death penalty.

Not in Edinburgh...they're stealing anything and everything.
And I'll repeat...if they die stealing bikes or anything for that matter I can see the justice.

[David W]

Death penalty for theft.  Yeh, nice idea.
What do murderers get?  Nearly kill them, heal them so we can kill them twice?
Perhaps driving without insurance merits having eyes gouged out?
We like speeding though, so maybe just having a minor finger taken off at the knuckle?  You've pretty much got the same amount of digit joint as current speeding points so a ban is similar to losing the use of a hand.  Yeh, that works....