the pazzo copys finding sets for under £20 delivered anyone had much luck with them? I keep wondering if I can take the titax of my 250 and force them on the zx6r but doubt that so im looking at cheap as chips adjustable shortys?
Had them on my ER6, the colour (black) faded a little bit with use, but other than that seemed fairly good.
Only I checked (after reading some horror stories) was that the pistons could be pushed, easily, back into the calipers with the levers fitted as there were some reports of the lever applying some pressure and moving the master cylinder piston in enough to block the fluid return hole; resulting in brakes starting to bind as the fluid got hotter. That was a couple of years ago now, so maybe no longer an issue
Got em on me striple , all good for me so far (fitted approx for 10 mnths)
how long did they take to come and how much you pay? im abit nervous about ordering from china
Mine arrived it pretty good time, can't remember exactly. The clutch level was for the newer bike and they sent out a new part, in short order, no hassle whatsoever
Quote from: DaveH on June 01, 2014, 05:02:28 PM
Mine arrived it pretty good time, can't remember exactly. The clutch level was for the newer bike and they sent out a new part, in short order, no hassle whatsoever
twenty quid for a set of levers just makes me think whats wrong with them
Was very sceptical too, but had no issue at all with them, other than the wrong part. Think it was mid £20s I paid for them
They are not the same quality as Pazzo etc. I have seen brake levers bent or broken on forums. For me it's not worth the risk.
But, it's your choice.
not much are nnot even my titax I notice the difference between my pazzos just fancy putting some cheap ones on my older zx6r
Hello Carbon
Have had a set of the £20 chinese specials on my ZRX for 2 years now with no problems at all. As above, the colour has faded abit on the levers themselves but hey....well worth it for that price.
ooo ive just noticed I can get them in anodised green......... :tongue:
black ones should look smart
I've had the silver ones for about two years now and never even had a slight problem. I'm glad I didn't pay pizza price but you will get everyone and there dog shouting opinions about the Chinese stuff. My view is I don't care if it cost 20 quid or 120 quid if it goes down its going to break end of. All the talk of metal fatigue etc is just skeptical nonsense. Try TheTwoWheels on Google. Mine arrived in just over a week. For 20 quid even if your not happy it's a spare set of levers for less than standard levers.
I would but bit sceptical with sight like that when I have no come back if anything happends
Got them on my bike, been on there for about 4 years now, they work just fine.....don't buy into the scare stories...these are spread by ignorant people. If they are machined from billet, they are going to be stronger than the brackets they are bolted to.
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 01, 2014, 05:00:33 PM
how long did they take to come and how much you pay? im abit nervous about ordering from china
£16 free p+p :hello2: never had any probs with stuff from china postage wise !
Quote from: Jono on June 01, 2014, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 01, 2014, 05:00:33 PM
how long did they take to come and how much you pay? im abit nervous about ordering from china
£16 free p+p :hello2: never had any probs with stuff from china postage wise !
bloody cheap that not found any quite that low
found these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Short-CNC-Clutch-Brake-Levers-Ninja-EX-500R-ZZR-600-650R-ER-5-ER6F-ER6N-ZX-6-/191060329062?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2c7c154266
shouldn't there be a metal tube in the mounting hole?
Usually you take the bush from the OE lever and fit it to the new one.
Quote from: 0luke0 on June 08, 2014, 09:38:15 PM
Usually you take the bush from the OE lever and fit it to the new one.
grr I wanted to say bush but for some reason I was picturing something else that's what I wanted to know along as ill be able to switch them that's all good cant go wrong for that price
think ill regret the green ones...
Them's exactly the same ones that I have, I have the red ones though but they were a present from my bro so I had to fit them!
just ordered the black shorty ones and asked for black adjusters
makes me regret all the titax and pazzos ive had over the years spent well over a grand on levers... granted it wont feel as good as my pazzos but I cant really justify the cost if these are decent enough £15.99 seems too good to be true
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 08, 2014, 10:11:09 PM
just ordered the black shorty ones and asked for black adjusters
makes me regret all the titax and pazzos ive had over the years spent well over a grand on levers... granted it wont feel as good as my pazzos but I cant really justify the cost if these are decent enough £15.99 seems too good to be true
Could have had carbon billet ones for £16.99 on Amazon ;)
ive seen them in person they look god awful on a serious note a few years ago I was trying to get genuine carbon levers made for the b1h but couldn't find a company to take the challenge sadly :(
I do work for a magnesium producer in Manc, and the weight of the metal is 1/3 less of Aluminium. It feel like plastic when you handle it. They have patents on some very hard magnesium alloys which are comparable with Ally so for those who can afford it, they may become an option at some stage. It is fairly exciting to work with them as they are right out there with some of the stuff they are doing which I've been involved with HERE (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/innovation/pioneering-implants-at-magnesium-elektron-1232598)
ooo very nice
I had Pazzo's in my hand for my 2006 R1 & Chinese copies from "thetwowheels" for my sons 2007 R1 in my other hand.
Any difference in quality was extremely slight.
Never bought Pazzo's since - got copies on my current GSXR1000 - no issues whatsoever.
mmm well my titax and pazzos feel different , I just hope they fit that's all im worried about
Did I ever tell you about the time this happened:
(http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr19/Vidal_photos/Bikes/img4306ju8_zps7b3d0977.jpg) (http://s465.photobucket.com/user/Vidal_photos/media/Bikes/img4306ju8_zps7b3d0977.jpg.html)
While I was moving my bike around the garage the night before a track day?
I'm sure I did...... anyway, cheap leavers can fuck off.
ive done the exact same thing with cheap oem copys except mine was actually on a track day pulled on it so hard it just snapped same place as yours
Ive got the cheap chinese ones on my zx10 track bike. Had them a year, a few track days and 1 crash later they are still going strong. I reckon the opinions will be 50/50 on most forums
CRG'S everytime
but I am a tart :cool:
I've had them in the past comp and asv levers much prefer pazzos
Had the cheapies on the gixer and they was fine, however on my daughters cbr with abs they made the front brake have a very grabby action, either on or off, changed back to original lever and the brakes were back to normal..
Quote from: loz on June 09, 2014, 11:56:46 AM
Had the cheapies on the gixer and they was fine, however on my daughters cbr with abs they made the front brake have a very grabby action, either on or off, changed back to original lever and the brakes were back to normal..
how strange :undecided:
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 09, 2014, 11:10:13 AM
I've had them in the past comp and asv levers much prefer pazzos
Just shows we all like different things. I've had ASV's, CRG's, Titax and Pazzo's on various bikes - won't touch the cheap copies but that's me - and the Pazzo's were imho the lowest quality of those 4 brands. I'd only buy CRG's and ASV's again - the newer RS2 version of the CRG's are nice.
I wouldn't normally touch the cheap ones either regardless of quality as im abit of a snob when it comes to things like that but as there going on a bike I will shortly be selling cant warrant £160 on levers
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on June 09, 2014, 10:07:11 AM
Did I ever tell you about the time this happened:
(http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr19/Vidal_photos/Bikes/img4306ju8_zps7b3d0977.jpg) (http://s465.photobucket.com/user/Vidal_photos/media/Bikes/img4306ju8_zps7b3d0977.jpg.html)
While I was moving my bike around the garage the night before a track day?
I'm sure I did...... anyway, cheap leavers can fuck off.
They look nothing like the pazzo look-alikes I've been using for years.
Those look like chatty oem copies, cheap cast rubbish.
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on June 09, 2014, 10:07:11 AM
Did I ever tell you about the time this happened:
(http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr19/Vidal_photos/Bikes/img4306ju8_zps7b3d0977.jpg) (http://s465.photobucket.com/user/Vidal_photos/media/Bikes/img4306ju8_zps7b3d0977.jpg.html)
While I was moving my bike around the garage the night before a track day?
I'm sure I did...... anyway, cheap leavers can fuck off.
You won't find that to be the case with billet levers. The difference between 6061 T6 aluminium and cast aluminium is a world apart.. the difference between bamboo and balsa wood (figuratively speaking).
If you see the description 6061 T6, then you can take it as read that it is going to be very tough. The MC would bend long before these knock off levers.
i have been inspired with confidence
Quote from: whoopee on June 09, 2014, 09:45:37 PM
They look nothing like the pazzo look-alikes I've been using for years.
Those look like chatty oem copies, cheap cast rubbish.
that's what they are..... the perils of buying a used bike I guess.
after this episode, we made a point of changing levers on any bike we bought.
OEM levers are cast though, I'd be happy to bet that they all come out of the same factory, or at the very least are made with the same grade of material, and cast using the same methods.
Heat treatment of the metals either in billet form, post machining or pre cast components is essential to give the correct grain structure in the metals (a bit like creating the fibres in bamboo to give toughness). The grade of ally 6061 is much weaker if it doesn't go through the tempering (ageing) process (the T6 bit), In respect to producing billet (machine stock) for machining from solid block, this Tempering is achieved either by sticking in an oven again and controlling the rate of cooling or even extruding at a given speed and running through a water curtain or using big fans at a given point down the roller table (to save the extra process once more) These processes are ISO controlled ...even in China and big money goes into the process of producing these (aerospace) grades of ally. Either cheap knock off or genuine pazzo, the metal is the same stuff if stated as so. A metalurgist would be able to figure it out fairly quickly either way.
don't know how they can sell them that cheap and make a profit unless the likes of pazzos profit margin is like 1200%
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 10, 2014, 10:09:32 AM
don't know how they can sell them that cheap and make a profit unless the likes of pazzos profit margin is like 1200%
Most of the CNC machines are made in Taiwan and China now so they don't need to have these shipped from the far side of the world with all the import taxes and stuff.
Machine tool cutters and carbide cutting tips are being made in China so they have cheap resources for these, the raw materials for the billet works out to a few pence as that is pretty much the same anywhere as a commodity value as does energy costs, and then it falls to labour rates. We have minimum wage, a CNC setter/operator is on anything from £10-£20 PH here, probably on 50p -£1 PH there. Labour makes up the most significant part of manufacturing and you only need trained monkeys to load a CNC machine once it is set up.
Ash is spot on.
The main reason for the massively lower cost of the Chinese copy Pazzos is that their labour rates are so much lower - rather than the levers being of any really noticeable lower quality.
Good ol slave labour :tongue:
they have arrived!!! and I am absolutely shocked to say the least ive ridden mates bikes with the chinky levers on and thought they wore good for the money but these the quality is fantastic ive owned every make of lever you can pretty much think of I've compared them to my pazzos and bar the "pazzo" you honestly could not tell the difference they feel great now all I have to do is see if they fit.......
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t574/blackstarracing8/WP_20140625_001_zps66db091d.jpg) (http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/blackstarracing8/media/WP_20140625_001_zps66db091d.jpg.html)
Yup - incredible isnt it - poor Pazzo must be thinking that their days of selling levers for circa £140 are numbered.
They will fit.
They will work - perfectly.
You will forever chuckle at the scare-mongerers
they fit absolutely perfectly clutch lever feels a hell of a lot heavier and ive just noticed I can pull the brake lever into the bar on all settings so I may have to check the fluid lvl as that don't seem right to me but bloody bargain of the year I think and cheaper than genuine replacement levers
these ones don't take brass bushings though
You may have to push the bush out of the old levers though
Quote from: ash on June 25, 2014, 01:27:08 PM
You may have to push the bush out of the old levers though
no point it couldn't fit if I did the holes in the new levers are the same as the old with bushings in
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 12:53:30 PM
Yup - incredible isnt it - poor Pazzo must be thinking that their days of selling levers for circa £140 are numbered.
They will fit.
They will work - perfectly.
You will forever chuckle at the scare-mongerers
Until they go brittle and snap. You won't be laughing then.
So a heavier clutch action, no room to fit the anti wear bush and the brake lever coming back to the bar on all settings.
Bargain................... :rofl:
Quote from: Gobert on June 25, 2014, 02:33:28 PM
So a heavier clutch action, no room to fit the anti wear bush and the brake lever coming back to the bar on all settings.
Bargain................... :rofl:
not entirely sure it was perfect after I dropped it
ill just grease the clutch lever bolt may make a bit of difference
Quote from: Gobert on June 25, 2014, 02:33:28 PM
So a heavier clutch action, no room to fit the anti wear bush and the brake lever coming back to the bar on all settings.
Bargain................... :rofl:
Probably the lever flexing :)
id love to slate them I really would after all the money ive spent on top end levers over the years but there really is nothing in it
So these Chinese levers have undergone quality testing as per the Euro levers? I doubt it. Whilst they may look the same on the outside, it's highy likely that they'll be inferior in material grade. I'd rather pay the extra than save a few pence and take the risk. Your choice though innit.
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 02:47:17 PM
So these Chinese levers have undergone quality testing as per the Euro levers? I doubt it. Whilst they may look the same on the outside, it's highy likely that they'll be inferior in material grade. I'd rather pay the extra than save a few pence and take the risk. Your choice though innit.
bit more than pennys there a tenth of the price and either which way as ash says there be stronger than oem levers anyway
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 25, 2014, 02:50:14 PM
bit more than pennys there a tenth of the price and either which way as ash says there be stronger than oem levers anyway
Course they will. Some cheap Chinese lever bound to be stronger than something that has to undergo testing to be sold worldwide innit. Like I said, your choice.
Would you put your child in a Chinese copy car seat that had under gone no testing? I wouldn't, the same applies for brake levers.
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 02:47:17 PM
So these Chinese levers have undergone quality testing as per the Euro levers? I doubt it. Whilst they may look the same on the outside, it's highy likely that they'll be inferior in material grade. I'd rather pay the extra than save a few pence and take the risk. Your choice though innit.
The material grade is just that though. They claim to be made out of 6061 with a T6 temper. I have little reason to doubt them. Billet with a temper is still going to be vastly stronger than cast (which is what they are bolted to)
The reality is that the only difference between the Pazzo's and these ones is that the Pazzo's have been 'tumbled' to debur them and soften the edges. In fact they may have been tumbled in any case, but maybe for 15 minutes instead of 3 or 4 hours which the pazzo's got.
I recall seeing a debate about Rolls Royce using BMW engines in their cars, and the RR engineer stated, that it wasn't what they were using as the base power plant, but the standard to what they were finished to. It is that finishing to a given standard which is what really cost the money as it it more time consuming, and that is really across the board in engineering.
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 25, 2014, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 02:47:17 PM
So these Chinese levers have undergone quality testing as per the Euro levers? I doubt it. Whilst they may look the same on the outside, it's highy likely that they'll be inferior in material grade. I'd rather pay the extra than save a few pence and take the risk. Your choice though innit.
bit more than pennys there a tenth of the price and either which way as ash says there be stronger than oem levers anyway
"Until they go brittle"
What will make them go brittle? - sunlight, rain, the dye in your gloves?
....& as Carbon says - you're not saving a few penny's they're a FRACTION of the cost.
Mine actually DO take the brass bushings from the OE (cheap-cast-crap) levers.
They are identical to Pazzo's but if there are any areas where the quality isnt quite as good - they're certainly better than the standard ones.
I'd love to do a pull-test on one in a rig to see the force needed to fail one - I'm sure the master-cylinder innards would fail at a fraction of their failure load.
Quote from: 0luke0 on June 25, 2014, 03:08:43 PM
Would you put your child in a Chinese copy car seat that had under gone no testing? I wouldn't, the same applies for brake levers.
Manufacturers don't test every component though in mass production, and I'll take a stab and say that most child car seats are made in China nowadays.
Quote from: ash on June 25, 2014, 03:15:09 PM
Quote from: 0luke0 on June 25, 2014, 03:08:43 PM
Would you put your child in a Chinese copy car seat that had under gone no testing? I wouldn't, the same applies for brake levers.
Manufacturers don't test every component though in mass production, and I'll take a stab and say that most child car seats are made in China nowadays.
I think Tim and Luke were referring to the generic Chinese copy products that haven't been mass manufactured to EU standards and sold through regular sales chains. Sucj as the copy stuff that's offloaded via eBay and other sources, of which I have had numerous electronic related items and is always cheap, naff and ends up usually being binned as it's not worth a wank, and with no real comeback or warranty.
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 03:13:47 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 25, 2014, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 02:47:17 PM
So these Chinese levers have undergone quality testing as per the Euro levers? I doubt it. Whilst they may look the same on the outside, it's highy likely that they'll be inferior in material grade. I'd rather pay the extra than save a few pence and take the risk. Your choice though innit.
bit more than pennys there a tenth of the price and either which way as ash says there be stronger than oem levers anyway
"Until they go brittle"
What will make them go brittle? - sunlight, rain, the dye in your gloves?
....& as Carbon says - you're not saving a few penny's they're a FRACTION of the cost.
Mine actually DO take the brass bushings from the OE (cheap-cast-crap) levers.
They are identical to Pazzo's but if there are any areas where the quality isnt quite as good - they're certainly better than the standard ones.
I'd love to do a pull-test on one in a rig to see the force needed to fail one - I'm sure the master-cylinder innards would fail at a fraction of their failure load.
If anyone wants to donate one of each, I'll get them tested. We can do hardness testing in house, and the biggest ally extruder in the world is one of my customers which is conveniently on the way home from work.
I've "tested" them for about 30k miles so far - & they seem to have managed not to snap - but, as ASH says, as they're machined from solid aluminium & bolted into a flimsy (by comparison) cast master cylinder bracket - that's no surprise really.
Quote from: ash on June 25, 2014, 03:19:20 PM
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 03:13:47 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 25, 2014, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 02:47:17 PM
So these Chinese levers have undergone quality testing as per the Euro levers? I doubt it. Whilst they may look the same on the outside, it's highy likely that they'll be inferior in material grade. I'd rather pay the extra than save a few pence and take the risk. Your choice though innit.
bit more than pennys there a tenth of the price and either which way as ash says there be stronger than oem levers anyway
"Until they go brittle"
What will make them go brittle? - sunlight, rain, the dye in your gloves?
....& as Carbon says - you're not saving a few penny's they're a FRACTION of the cost.
Mine actually DO take the brass bushings from the OE (cheap-cast-crap) levers.
They are identical to Pazzo's but if there are any areas where the quality isnt quite as good - they're certainly better than the standard ones.
I'd love to do a pull-test on one in a rig to see the force needed to fail one - I'm sure the master-cylinder innards would fail at a fraction of their failure load.
If anyone wants to donate one of each, I'll get them tested. We can do hardness testing in house, and the biggest ally extruder in the world is one of my customers which is conveniently on the way home from work.
I'd LOVE to see the results of that test - the actual failure force compared to OEM, I'll take a stab at approx double.
Timmy, you don't seem very happy today? What's up me old fruit bat?
Quote from: Gilby104 on June 25, 2014, 03:23:35 PM
Timmy, you don't seem very happy today? What's up me old fruit bat?
I'm fine thanks Gilby. It doesn't bother me one way or the other with regards to levers and such like. It's all personal choice innit.
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 03:29:34 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on June 25, 2014, 03:23:35 PM
Timmy, you don't seem very happy today? What's up me old fruit bat?
I'm fine thanks Gilby. It doesn't bother me one way or the other with regards to levers and such like. It's all personal choice innit.
Yeah it is personal choice - but it's a considered decision which is not what is implied by your posts.
I'm not just blindly using them simply because they're cheaper & ignoring the chance that they might fail causing terrible injury or death.
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 03:29:34 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on June 25, 2014, 03:23:35 PM
Timmy, you don't seem very happy today? What's up me old fruit bat?
I'm fine thanks Gilby. It doesn't bother me one way or the other with regards to levers and such like. It's all personal choice innit.
Good! On a small diversion are you still cycling? I need to up my training so any excuse to go riding would be welcome (P.S. I am only running Japanese levers and components)
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 03:35:33 PM
Yeah it is personal choice - but it's a considered decision which is not what is implied by your posts.
I'm not just blindly using them simply because they're cheaper & ignoring the chance that they might fail causing terrible injury or death.
You're implying I'm implying something which I'm not implying. They may be better quality, they may be worse, it's a bit of an unknown without testing. Like I said, I'd rather pay and have peace of mind over an unknown quantity, but that's just me.
Quote from: Gilby104 on June 25, 2014, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 03:29:34 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on June 25, 2014, 03:23:35 PM
Timmy, you don't seem very happy today? What's up me old fruit bat?
I'm fine thanks Gilby. It doesn't bother me one way or the other with regards to levers and such like. It's all personal choice innit.
Good! On a small diversion are you still cycling? I need to up my training so any excuse to go riding would be welcome (P.S. I am only running Japanese levers and components)
Heretic !.....anyone with an ounce of taste would only use Campag ....
Quote from: Gilby104 on June 25, 2014, 03:36:07 PM
Good! On a small diversion are you still cycling? I need to up my training so any excuse to go riding would be welcome (P.S. I am only running Japanese levers and components)
Aye man, still cycling. Went out yesterday and did 45 miles after work, pretty flat route though. I need to look at my bike as I think the bottom bracket is about to collapse, I'm off to ebay to look for a chinese copy ;) If you fancy going out for a ride I'm game, slow but game.
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 03:41:46 PM
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 03:35:33 PM
Yeah it is personal choice - but it's a considered decision which is not what is implied by your posts.
I'm not just blindly using them simply because they're cheaper & ignoring the chance that they might fail causing terrible injury or death.
You're implying I'm implying something which I'm not implying. They may be better quality, they may be worse, it's a bit of an unknown without testing. Like I said, I'd rather pay and have peace of mind over an unknown quantity, but that's just me.
If you actually get a hold of a pair of the Pazzo copies, examine them, handle them, scrutinise them closely....
....unless your basic-engineering-common-sense is woefully bad....you'd realise that they ain't gonna snap!
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 03:48:05 PM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 03:41:46 PM
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 03:35:33 PM
Yeah it is personal choice - but it's a considered decision which is not what is implied by your posts.
I'm not just blindly using them simply because they're cheaper & ignoring the chance that they might fail causing terrible injury or death.
You're implying I'm implying something which I'm not implying. They may be better quality, they may be worse, it's a bit of an unknown without testing. Like I said, I'd rather pay and have peace of mind over an unknown quantity, but that's just me.
If you actually get a hold of a pair of the Pazzo copies, examine them, handle them, scrutinise them closely....
....unless your basic-engineering-common-sense is woefully bad....you'd realise that they ain't gonna snap!
ive compared them side by side and they are identical im not entirely sure there not pazzos without the badge there that identical
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 03:48:05 PM
If you actually get a hold of a pair of the Pazzo copies, examine them, handle them, scrutinise them closely....
....unless your basic-engineering-common-sense is woefully bad....you'd realise that they ain't gonna snap!
I break out in hives if I touch cheap rubbis..copies :)
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 03:53:04 PM
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 03:48:05 PM
If you actually get a hold of a pair of the Pazzo copies, examine them, handle them, scrutinise them closely....
....unless your basic-engineering-common-sense is woefully bad....you'd realise that they ain't gonna snap!
I break out in hives if I touch cheap rubbis..copies :)
if these came in a pazzo box and had it printed on them you wouldn't have a clue
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 25, 2014, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 03:53:04 PM
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 03:48:05 PM
If you actually get a hold of a pair of the Pazzo copies, examine them, handle them, scrutinise them closely....
....unless your basic-engineering-common-sense is woefully bad....you'd realise that they ain't gonna snap!
I break out in hives if I touch cheap rubbis..copies :)
if these came in a pazzo box and had it printed on them you wouldn't have a clue
Or in an Australian Ugg shoe box.....
Quote from: karlv on June 25, 2014, 03:55:45 PM
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 25, 2014, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 03:53:04 PM
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 03:48:05 PM
If you actually get a hold of a pair of the Pazzo copies, examine them, handle them, scrutinise them closely....
....unless your basic-engineering-common-sense is woefully bad....you'd realise that they ain't gonna snap!
I break out in hives if I touch cheap rubbis..copies :)
:cool:
if these came in a pazzo box and had it printed on them you wouldn't have a clue
Or in an Australian Ugg shoe box.....
:cool:
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 03:41:46 PM
Quote from: whoopee on June 25, 2014, 03:35:33 PM
Yeah it is personal choice - but it's a considered decision which is not what is implied by your posts.
I'm not just blindly using them simply because they're cheaper & ignoring the chance that they might fail causing terrible injury or death.
You're implying I'm implying something which I'm not implying. They may be better quality, they may be worse, it's a bit of an unknown without testing. Like I said, I'd rather pay and have peace of mind over an unknown quantity, but that's just me.
You are quite welcome to examine the levers on my B1. They've been on there about 4 years now. You aren't a million miles from me.
Quote from: Carbon_ZX6R on June 25, 2014, 03:54:43 PM
if these came in a pazzo box and had it printed on them you wouldn't have a clue
and if my brother had boobs and a dress on he'd be my sister.
Quote from: karlv on June 25, 2014, 03:55:45 PM
Or in an Australian Ugg shoe box.....
It was a chinese Ugg box ackshully
Quote from: ash on June 25, 2014, 03:43:11 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on June 25, 2014, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 03:29:34 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on June 25, 2014, 03:23:35 PM
Timmy, you don't seem very happy today? What's up me old fruit bat?
I'm fine thanks Gilby. It doesn't bother me one way or the other with regards to levers and such like. It's all personal choice innit.
Good! On a small diversion are you still cycling? I need to up my training so any excuse to go riding would be welcome (P.S. I am only running Japanese levers and components)
Heretic !.....anyone with an ounce of taste would only use Campag ....
you let your legs do the talking Ash... you can come on this cycle and all!
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 25, 2014, 03:45:11 PM
Quote from: Gilby104 on June 25, 2014, 03:36:07 PM
Good! On a small diversion are you still cycling? I need to up my training so any excuse to go riding would be welcome (P.S. I am only running Japanese levers and components)
Aye man, still cycling. Went out yesterday and did 45 miles after work, pretty flat route though. I need to look at my bike as I think the bottom bracket is about to collapse, I'm off to ebay to look for a chinese copy ;) If you fancy going out for a ride I'm game, slow but game.
Well distance is what I need now so if you're on 45 miles after work then we should be about right. Have you got any days you're keen to cycle after work this week or next?
Alternatively I am test riding the new Street Triple on Saturday until about 1pm. Could go out for a spin afterwards?
I'd have a stab at bigger miles, but you'd probably be towing me around
Quote from: ash on June 25, 2014, 05:59:33 PM
I'd have a stab at bigger miles, but you'd probably be towing me around
Bring a rope..... all good training
went to try them out well the brakes are next to useless spongy would be putting it lightly and the clutch does not engage properly this may be down to fluid levels and adjustment as im yet to have time to properly tinker
Simple way to test..............put the OE levers back on.
Quote from: Gilby104 on June 25, 2014, 04:59:35 PM
Alternatively I am test riding the new Street Triple on Saturday until about 1pm. Could go out for a spin afterwards?
Standard or R version? either way make sure you have enough for a deposit as you'll buy one ;-)
Quote from: Gobert on June 26, 2014, 07:20:17 PM
Simple way to test..............put the OE levers back on.
something is wrong with the brakes that's for sure the clutch mount looks slightly bent and the lever is too tight so need to file down the mount a bit and they should be perfect
Sounds like you ordered the wrong ones. They differ from year to year.
Bargain of the year
Quote from: ash on June 27, 2014, 09:25:26 AM
Sounds like you ordered the wrong ones. They differ from year to year.
pretty sure I didn't the brake fits fine and the clutch fits its just extremely tight and stops the lever going completely out the mount looks bent to me so if I shave a tiny bit off they should be fine
Where can I get some of these levers, they sound awesome
Quote from: Tiiimmmaaayyyy on June 27, 2014, 09:44:45 AM
Where can I get some of these levers, they sound awesome
:rofl:
IIRC, the B1's use the clutch bracket off the A1p, and a new MC, and the C1 uses the same MC bracket off the B1, but a new clutch lever bracket. There are slight differences, and I got it wrong first time inadvertently ordering that for a C1 not B1 (my bad) and had to send one of the levers back for an exchange...which fitted perfectly.
They are precision made, you shouldn't have to fettle anything to make htem fit if your old levers are standars and in good condition.
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Quote from: Gilby104 on June 25, 2014, 04:59:35 PM
Alternatively I am test riding the new Street Triple on Saturday until about 1pm. Could go out for a spin afterwards?
Standard or R version? either way make sure you have enough for a deposit as you'll buy one ;-)
Standard I believe, I didn't as I just asked if they had a demo. I think I'll wait anyway as it's all thunder and shite tomorrow. I'll be on the pedal bike!
well ive just borrowed some pazzo levers off a used bike (same lever part number) and they fit exactly the same meaning that the mount is slightly bent (standard levers appear slightly thinner)
Is it a brown clutch perch? I think I have one if you want it
Well, out of morbid curiosity, I ordered a pair of levers off ebay from China for the Buell.
They were under £15 delivered so I was expecting a laugh and for them to go straight in the bin.
I'm genuinely gobsmacked.... they arrived in less than a week, appear to be superb quality and they fit perfectly....... I may actually put my life in their hands and keep them on, they look so good!!
You utter utter hypocritical Judas!
Your dire warnings about levers that fell off in the garage have cost me a fortune, but I was happy and smug in the certain knowledge that Sir Danoir would approve, and now this.
*illusions shattered*
This is running nicely alongside the leathers debate with T.C.
Take a sledgehammer to one which is bolted to the OEM bracket...see what gives up the ghost first and then report back. Mine look as good as the day they were fitted...even the anodising is still bright.
hahah made me laugh got mine to fir properly when I bent the perch back into shape
Quote from: Dom1 on August 12, 2014, 01:07:55 PM
You utter utter hypocritical Judas!
Your dire warnings about levers that fell off in the garage have cost me a fortune, but I was happy and smug in the certain knowledge that Sir Danoir would approve, and now this.
*illusions shattered*
Made me laugh ^^^^^
Dan must be on the Board of Pazzo
Anna's an Engineer for a company who design and manufacture all kinds factory machines.
She confirmed that most of the components they buy in from China and simply brand them.
She and her colleagues also Reckon the quality of these levers is as good as anything you're likely to find branded...... in fact they probably are Pazzo levers.
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on August 14, 2014, 03:56:42 PM
Anna's an Engineer for a company who design and manufacture all kinds factory machines.
She confirmed that most of the components they buy in from China and simply brand them.
She and her colleagues also Reckon the quality of these levers is as good as anything you're likely to find branded...... in fact they probably are Pazzo levers.
Are you and Ash the same person
Quote from: Coxy on August 14, 2014, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: Lord Danoir the first on August 14, 2014, 03:56:42 PM
Anna's an Engineer for a company who design and manufacture all kinds factory machines.
She confirmed that most of the components they buy in from China and simply brand them.
She and her colleagues also Reckon the quality of these levers is as good as anything you're likely to find branded...... in fact they probably are Pazzo levers.
Are you and Ash the same person
that has got to be the single most preposterous comment in the history of the internet.
I can't even begin to imagine what your state of mind must be to even think something as ludicrous as that.
amazing the price of them for what they are